I guess the devs think that the way to help a shrinking population is to screw with the player driven economy in a sandbox. Fail.

Annihilator wrote:

Syndic, you forgot: neither will purgatory ever be able to get his hand on one of those black heavy mechs which he needs for his one-man corp to grind kernels with a higher efficiency as now.

im rather happy about the treasure hunt. theres no way i could participate in it, but hopefully i can unlock the two aniversary sparks.

last but not least, those two things are not the only things for that patch:
- int 2.0
- new logistic bot? (regarding DEV Calvin next patch)
- eventually upgraded grafics.
- ... eventually yet unannounced features?

what is a surprise?

Wikipedia wrote:

Surprise is intimately connected to the idea of acting in accordance with a set of rules. When the rules of reality generating events of daily life separate from the rules of thumb expectations, surprise is the outcome. Surprise represents the difference between expectations and reality, the gap between our assumptions and expectations about worldly events and the way that those events actually turn out. In essence, surprises are the end result of predictions that fail.

You thought I still grind kernals? I stopped doing that quite some time ago.

Lemon wrote:
Purgatory wrote:
Scyylla wrote:

WTB fraps of Purgy losing one!

You say that like you expect me to lose it? Do you have any idea how often i've roamed all over all of the beta islands with my pack of gropho mk2s, nova included. I farmed hundreds of observer kernals doing it. Guess how many times I died? Zero.


What times?

*Grabs alarm clock*

I stopped doing it after I acquired all combat kernal research. Lasted a good month or two though.

Annihilator wrote:
Purgatory wrote:
Scyylla wrote:

WTB fraps of Purgy losing one!

You say that like you expect me to lose it? Do you have any idea how often i've roamed all over all of the beta islands with my pack of gropho mk2s, nova included. I farmed hundreds of observer kernals doing it. Guess how many times I died? Zero.

beeing neutral with all factions helps allot to archieve that...

Being neutral to everyone equates to me being kill on sight to everyone. No different in perpetuum than in EVE. NBSI.

MegaMaid wrote:

I actually agree with Purgatory here.

Give T4+, not T4P.

T4+ won't screw with the market, T4P will. The market is one of the little bits of sand in this "sandbox" game. As soon as you start interfering with it like this, what sand do we have left?

Leave the economy to the players.

Yeah, TBH the devs are acting like this is just a beta game and won't really matter, but it will. It beggars belief that they plan to give out T4 prototypes of choice as one of the prizes.

Scyylla wrote:

WTB fraps of Purgy losing one!

You say that like you expect me to lose it? Do you have any idea how often i've roamed all over all of the beta islands with my pack of gropho mk2s, nova included. I farmed hundreds of observer kernals doing it. Guess how many times I died? Zero.

Sid from mining wrote:

It was, he just wants your attention to point out that the 3rd price will ruin his empire smile

Or maybe you do? Because I never mentioned it in this thread, whereas you did, infact you were the first person to mention it in this thread.

This has nothing to do with ruining "my empire" To begin with, what empire? Secondly, this isn't just about me, yes, i am one of the main persons effected, but this effects every player who is investing their time and effort into gaining the research to build those T4 items. Perpetuum is a small game, there isn't many players, and the prototypes of choice being given out are enough for whoever wins to saturate the market for most of the T4 items that as of yet are unavailable on the market. T4 extractor, recharger and industrial nexus modules, T4 medium remote armor repairer for example.

People play perpetuum for different reasons, mine is the industy side of things, and this 3rd prize can very easily ruin all of my remaining long term goals. Once that happens, why should I even play anymore, with no goals left? It won't be worth investing tens of billions of nic into kernals just to enter a saturated market.

There's probably only a few of us who are even bothering to go for this research anyway, so who cares right? Why not hold touraments like this every month, and give out free T4 prototypes of choice to the winner, or every week even. Even better, let's just seed all T4 items on the market, and to hell with a player driven economy, you're half way there already by giving out the end result industrial jackpot of huge industrial investment as a silly tournament prize!

3rd prize should be a collection of T4+ items, 1st and 2nd prize do not give any kind of serious game advantage, 3rd prize gives a huge game advantage.

DEV Zoom wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "gang up"?

Pairing of the teams will be done by drawing, so they can also end up fighting each other.

So each match is 1 team vs 1 team rather than something like 3 teams against each other till one remains?

DEV Zoom wrote:

Every team can have up to 10 members. Teams can only include members of the registered corporation.

Of course we can't stop them from joining the same corporation, but that's their decision.

How does this stop an alliance of multiple corporations from saying to each other, let's all gang up together and take out the other teams first and then we'll split the top 3 spots between us? According to some, it has already been decided this way.

Syndic wrote:

I've already arranged the final results of the tournament. smile

Above quote taken from another thread in general discussion:

Several corporations from an alliance team up for the tournament and gang up on their competitors, thus assuring themselves 1st, 2nd and 3rd places - What's to stop this from happening? If they choose to work together, they will almost certainly win, and they will certainly do this if they can.

Can we expect to see a team of shield tank evasion troiars dominating the whole thing or will that be fixed before then?

Alexadar wrote:
Purgatory wrote:

You're talking about CIR right? I don't know of any other corp who fits that description.

You don't need to know more. I'm leaving you in your small world where you won perpetuum, implying you can buy anything anywhere.

Haha, you crack me up, such elitism and ego.

(basically your corp is not one of those corps)

Alexadar wrote:

For you info, the most succeed corps in this game are those who don't work much with market. Self-sufficient giants, what can build enough bots for their players. Most probably one of this giant will won tournament and put this bots in their hangar for best of the best.

Question: Are they need your money?
Answer: No.

You're talking about CIR right? I don't know of any other corp who fits that description.

Alexadar wrote:
Purgatory wrote:
Alexadar wrote:

Some things cannot be sold.
I think those who will sell it: twice time fool

So what should they do with it?

Alpha farming
For collection etc.

Corporation, what will won in tournament will find a way to use it. I'm sure

It? You do realise they will be winning 10 of them.

Alexadar wrote:

Some things cannot be sold.
I think those who will sell it: twice time fool

So what should they do with it? Leave it to rust in hangar forever? Lose it in pvp? Would those choices make them less of a fool than selling it? They could do alot of pvp with the money they obtain from selling it.

I believe it all comes down to who wins them, if they are already rich beyond what they need, then they might see a point in selling it. If they're short on cash though, it's not a bad idea.

Annihilator wrote:

do you really think Lemon would sell you one of his precious black heavy mechs... if he wins?

also, what you need a gropho with a unusable shield bonus for fuuu

Incase you were too thick to realise, I use gropho mk2s a lot, and these new ones being a step up, yeah, I could do with that.

And I just put this out there so whoever wins knows what's on the table. What are you going to do, flame me for attempting to buy one of them? Seems people like to flame me for just about anything, some serious nerd jealousy going on in this game. Just because you couldn't even contemplate buying one yourself.

Arga wrote:

I'm with Lucius on this, the most likely scenerio is that a corporation that already has access to those T4 prototypes is going to win.

I don't see any scenerio where, PIE for example, is going to be competitive enough to get to the semi-finals bracket; unless only 3 corps sign up smile

M2S, CIR, 62nd, F-navy, Tog, ect ect are the PVP corps that already have that tech and are going to take the prizes, not a indepentant manufactoring corporation that is going to sell these items on the open market.

Or, maybe the winner will put the T4P's on the market now, just to troll you smile

Or maybe i'll win it? Hope I didn't enter too late, so many greedy people hoping they can get a free pass to producing all the T4 items that few to none have unlocked yet. This really is the dumbest move i've ever seen the devs make.

They're giving a huge industrial edge to whoever wins 3rd prize and allowing them to create the best items in the game that others have been working toward for a long time. 3rd prize has a value of over 15-20 billion nic while 2nd prize is worth a mere 600-700 mill nic.

Here's what i'd pick for 3rd prize

2x T4 fast extractor nexus
2x T4 industrial nexus
1x T4 recharger nexus
1x T4 medium remote armor repairer
3x T4 medium miner module
1x T4 medium harvester module

They will want to make as much as they can from each CT they get from the reverse engineer, so it's to be expected that they will continue to build until the CT efficency is right down to 10-20%. Hey, the devs even threw in 10x free level 10 decoders, it's like they wanted you to do this, they had it planned out.

Assuming they build about 150 T4 modules from each CT and sell each module from around 5 to 20 mill each. (20m for t4 nexus modules) 5m for miners/harvesters and 10m for T4 remote repairers, they're looking at earning about 15-20+ billion nic.

Hey, they could use some of that to buy all of the 1st and 2nd prizes from the winnings and still have loads of nic left afterward.

Very poorly thought out 3rd prize, not only doing it grant insane riches to the 3rd prize winner, and not only is it backward that 3rd prize is better than 1st and 2nd by a mile, but it also *** over us industrial types, some of us have been playing this game for a year now, hoping to one day be the first to produce some of these high end as of yet unavailable T4 items. This whole prize buggers that, market will be saturated, not much of a player driven market when a tournament gives such rewards.

If it wasn't for the fact that 1st prize was otherwise unobtainable heavy mechs, 3rd prize would be the best prize, it's certainly better than the 2nd prize.

Whoever wins the tournament, i'd like to buy a Praetorian Gropho or 2 from you. Just let me know what you want in return for 1 or 2 of them.

Giving out T4 prototype items (of your own choosing even) as a prize is a slap in the face to those who worked hard for the last year to unlock many T4 items. These people can pick all the highest return items and then simply reverse engineer them so they can sell on the market. If this severely effects me I may just unsub my 5 accounts for good.

Why not change the reward to be T4+ items instead?

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Annihilator wrote:

yes it does.

same for all secondary effects of the enabler extensions - like the 1% dps bonus on each faction extension...

Which extension are you refering to? Faction extensions give 1% cycle time to their weapon type.

Calio wrote:
0110011100001111001010001 wrote:

At this "button smashing" thing.

Just please remember not all builds are suppose to be "easy mode" for everyone.

But why should the top-of-the-line bot be easy for 2/3 and a PITA (not hard, just a PITA) for 1/3? That's balance?

edit: I wonder how many Mesmer drivers would like it if the armor rep bonus only ticked for them when their guns weren't firing, or how many Seth drivers would like it if their accu bonus only worked while turtle tanking?

Those are good ideas that will bring the balance back - Devs, if you won't change the gropho for the best, then bring the other h.mechs in line, they should also having a useless bonus unless you fit the appropriate module, and it choosing to use this module should greatly limit your build, forcing you into short range fittings, because of high cpu/reactor fitting reqs. If you don't use this spec, no 3rd bonus for you, gropho has it like this, it's only fair.

Mesmer armor repair bonus needs to only be active if you have a special lo-slot module that uses a *** tons of reactor and cpu, let's called it an armor-shield. Seth max AP bonus needs to only be active if you have a lo-slot accumulator module fitted, let's call it an accumulator booster. The only thing it does is make the seths max AP bonus apply, without it, you don't get the bonus, oh, and it should also have high fitting requirements - Just like medium shields.

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Syrissa wrote:

the drop rate of cortexes is way too low or the drop rate of mk2 cts is way too high.

you find way too many cts compared to the cortexes. and you have to think how many bots you can build from one ct...

but thats is a topic for artifact ballancing i will start again once i have a few hundret artifacts more in my spread sheet and i have better numbers (started that way too late ^^)

Confirming that I have almost a full perpetuum bot 75% ct collection that I found almost entirely myself.

Confirming that I found about 2 heavy mech cortex during that time.

I'm finding my that my buy orders stopped getting filled mostly about a week ago, and that's even offering 0.70 per titan ore, or HDT. Did people just suddenly quit? What the hell happend?