@Ozy I don't really understand what's the issue with the formula tbh , Hungarian math or not the bonus is applied directly to the target. The formula is just to calculate possible bonuses with without the need to be ingame or fit your bot.

Now that's out of the way, if I have 90% locking time bonus on my SS then a any bot with 7.35sec x 1.9 = 13.965sec that is exactly 90% suppressed, if you add T4 tuner then 13.965sec x 1.175 = 16.4sec exactly 17.5% increase in locking time. My raw data proves this is so.

Only issue I have is that is should be 17% increase not 17.5% and that the stacking of tuners is too much but that's really another matter.

My basic issue was the effective formula that was only used for SS tunings is

y = base * (1+%)^# + #*% while every other tuner is
y = base * (1+%)^#

I didn't like this inconsistency and how it overamplified the tuner effect. Problem is, I only looked at it from the input side of things without considering the output. Seeing how the end results are consistent with expectations, I should probably rest the case now as it's pretty apparent that this is intended behaviour, even though it's accomplished by rather inconsistent application of hungiarian math, lol.

fixed that for you
the math is consitent, the module info is inconsitent.

the thing i wonder about, is the relatively high modifier on supressor tunings: T4 = 17.5% on a "stun-lock" mechanic, while the T4 weapon tunings "only" give you ~7.5 - 16.2% dps

not that it affects me in pve, without observer roams on alpha2 there is no reason to field ewar against npcs at all.

Why EW nexus is like 2x more powerful than any other Nexus?

Do you understand that follow bot nerf is bigger nerf against heavies than against EW mechs right?

To which of your useless theory crafted max xx fit?

And if Burial is referring to Industrial bots for logistics that's been obsolete for fleets long before Follow Nerf. Why? Ewar of course.

Because I just noticed this thread, I'd like to point out the original formula burial was talking about was from me while doing the fitting tool and was something I asked him to confirm the results of. So chill guys, he wasn't hunting through all the ewar formulas trying to get things nerfed... It was my best attempt at an accurate formula that I asked someone else to check if it provided correct answers.

Zeniths with max skills are powerful? Yes.... Zenith with max skills a solo pvper bot..... nope. Solo Zenith with max skills can't kill a kain with max skills with only one repper unless they mess up and cap out (that kain likely wont lock *** but the zenith cant dps down kain). Sensor Suppressors powerful? Yes in combo with a vaga a zenith can wreck an enemy fleet, I've personally juggled 5 different heavys and their follow bots with Gunner in his cam and me in my zenith. You can't nerf experience and good communication.

wow, good find!

Honestly that post was pretty funny