Hey, if this particular paranoid guy wasn't around then you guys might still be living in blissful ignorance thinking M2S is just super-organized and good at using the market to produce endless streams of "stuff".

Then there was that moment when the paranoid guy said moving from 1km to 2km would produce nothing but bigger teleport walls, but that time you didn't listen. Now you gotta wipe 2 years of Gamma.

I could list many more examples but my aim isn't to rub salt in wounds, I aim to improve this game for the steamlings. Humor me and listen to your own logic for once - f*ck the 200 vets, help the thousands of steamlings get established and settled in.

The API is good and helps the game. Just get rid of the coordinates so we can't take advantage of it to triangulate stuff for easy kills.

Actually, it seems the more I think about it. The more I kinda like trying this out. Its not like you can grief noobs on alpha with this or anything. So its really only an issue on beta and gamma. And tbh, giving people more information on where to likely find pvp seems like a great idea. More Pew!

And really if you keep harvesting noralgis in the same place as you were killed at before, then you probly deserve to lose another bot and have your crop burned to the ground....

I was thinking that this could be an issue showing who is hitting saps and who is defending their saps etc. But it really isn't any different than matching up the killboard with the intrusion list to find that same info out. If anything this is easier for new players to figure out.

For those of us with limited (if any) knowledge on API, specifically Perpetuum's API...

Is the data displayed on Perp-Kill and sequer.nl delayed by result of game mechanics or as result of the individuals managing the sites?

If one day Doek swallowed a crazy pill or was infiltrated by nano bots losing all conscious control could he release Kill data in real time? Do the managers of those two sites have actual ability to show that data in real time, even if by design they are delaying it's release?

And if anyone can access data from sequer.nl or Perp-kill what is to stop them from having that data in real time?

For record Doek seems honorable guy. I have no idea who manages Per-Killl. But I don't care how honorable they are its bad bad policy to leave that in player hands. "Good for the Game" is another piss poor standard of fuzziness.

Gargaj can we get PVE kills too?  Also modules and cargo?  And can we get a player API that shows everyone's skill, along with personal assets by terminal?  Seriously though pve kills?

Modules (both dropped and destroyed, separated ideally) for player deaths would be awesome.

Any PLAYER bot that basically dies in Perpetuum (Online =P ), let it be TO observers, TO turrets, TO spawn deaths.

And modules of those bots killed, unless that's pushing way too much info for the server.

Edit: clarity

Ultimately I would be happy to see when ANY player dies and where.

Show everyones skill, pve deaths, and assets ..... umm, somehow asking for something absolutely ridiculous is supposed to illustrate a problem with this topic how, exactly??

But, its funny, you actually bring up an excellent point. EvE killmails provide the exact fits, including the cargo contents, of every ship that dies in pvp. This particular intel is far more crucial than location of death co ords could ever be. And yet, somehow EvE bravely struggles forward each day in spite of this obvious critical free information available on 3rd party sites without logging into game.

And Lemon to clarify, you are correct that not everyone has unlimited free access to the API data. What I meant of course was that if someone wanted to, specifically a major player in your faction, or any faction for that matter, requested the data for use similar to perp-kill or sequer.nl, they would get it. There's nothing stopping Bandwagon900xxyz for compiling the same data just so you dont have to worry about some secret magical political advantage.

Whats this sarcasm all aboot, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-glHAzXi_M

rofl   Doek 

http://tinyurl.com/nbqntcx

http://sequer.nl/killboard/index.php?a= … l_id=42235

Having read the whole thread, your all paranoid!

On a serious note, there can be no 'shady selfish business' as previously mentioned because, as quoted above,  the delay is controlled by the dev's/game mechanics, not by the 3rd parties who have created the killboard sites.

Other cases such as 'omg they know where i farm noralgis' should probably refer to the multitude of threads regarding risk vs reward (or the lack of in some cases) that i've read recently......you live on/own a beta island, it might not be safe you know!

Also Zoom, dropped/destroyed mods in killmails plz

I really am enjoying your work on ya KB Doek keep up the good work!

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ?