That just makes macros less efficient.

It makes lots of difference if they are smaller. One guy can afk 60m liquizit in total safety without moving right now. 10 guys can do it a lot quicker with the same hauling trip. Splitting this up causes less afk, more movement and makes macros more difficult.

If alpha 1 mining is as good for end game players as for new people you have the following effects (as proven in eve and the current server)

- people won't buy minerals if they can mine their own in total safety and large numbers
- mining as a profession will pay badly for new players due to the low volume traded and low prices
- people won't resource gather on beta making stations worth less and pvp based around capture the flag rather than territory control

Leaving alpha mining as it is will harm builders and miners as their efforts will not be cost efficient in relation to missions or ratting.

This is NOT about forcing everyone to beta but about making medium and up sized corps considerably less efficient if they do their industry on alpha. This would encourage these corps to take and hold stations in order to gain that efficiency promoting territory control based pvp rather than capture the flag.

It should also be noted that some of these changes used to be on the server and when they did most established corps did their mining and building on beta. It's only after successive beta nerds that this changed.

Because historically Perpetuum has done so well for itself only appeasing the PvP crowd.
Because 95% of EVE's subs are not in high sec.
Because beta isn't the only place you can mine epriton.

Oh Wait.

Im ok with fields on Alpha being as big as they're now.

I dislike the current instant-ore-respawn mechanic though, it nullifies a reason to control more then 1-2 islands.

The old system where ore gradually refilled over time was much better. It was removed because newbies doing the defunct tutorial couldn't mine the titan ore. Now we have a virtual island -> bring the old system back in.

Alpha liquid ore prices are x2-x3 cheaper then non-liquid counterparts because it's just so macroable in perfect safety.

Why would it force players to Beta? Buy it off the damn market if you don't wanna go to the PVP areas.

If ore fields refill over time, it's only natural for Beta/Gamma corps to base their mining industry out in the world which will ease up the logistic pressure on these corps and provide PVP opportunities for everyone.

While ore fields are infinite nobody will mine anything other then Epriton on Beta and Colixium on Gamma. Everything will be mined Alpha-side because it is instant, 200% safe, and infinite. Might as well grab some botting software and let it play itself in the background.

Aight, fuzzy memory. I remember a lot of screaming about newbie titan being mined.

You got the server-side statistics - you should know where all the ore is being mined. We can put every player and every account in the game on just 1 island, and they would be able to mine enough ore to satisfy all of their needs.

When you wipe gamma, why would anyone want more then 1 gamma island? There is no economic or industrial need to EVER own more then 1 island, the biggest alliance can exist on 1 island exactly the same as the smallest corp can.

That's just plain wrong IMO.

Not sure that is a bad thing. The more powerbases the better. Tighter quarters means more conflict I'd imagine.

Only issue I have within mining is the conflict with static NPCs. But I guess anyone who wants Infinite Mining limited would see the Static NPC issue as at least some small breaking mechanism to the current infinite minerals.

If any chnage is decided with the infinite mineral supply I would hope Devs at least take a slow balancing approach, and not one day wake up and turn the whole system completely upside down 'because xxx since forever'

What about removing the faction minerals to beta and gamma only? Too harsh on the miners? It seems like they are used in such small quantities anyway, that it wouldn't really hinder much production but may make them more valuable and spice things up...

There actually is a delay already, just not sure how long. I think its pretty short. But if someone is a miner and plays this game to mine, they should always have the ability to log on and do so. Period.

Edit: And there already is a difference in the size and color of mineral fields from alpha to beta to gamma. It would just be tweaking it some more.

Alpha 100%

Beta 125%

Gamma 115%

something

My idea would be more fragmented fields of smaller in size, therefore there is more need to move around on alpha than pvp areas, but with an overall boost to mining all round, in conjunction with a a reduced threshold of ore per island just slightly higher on betas and gamma.

So smaller but more abundant fields, that has a cool down to respawn every few days. With a mining buff. This will improve chance there is a field available without NPCs as there is more choice, also everyone should be able to mine anytime but may need to change move island form time to time to do so, that's what I had to do when I started, if I wanted a specific ore.

You could run a thousand man corp on an alpha 2 producing everything in the game in total safety.

Every corp in the game mines on alpha.

This is not risk vs reward nor balance.