A quick and simple work around.

Have a Light Ewar, masked (works with anything really), It follows you in whatever bot you wish.

That light Ewar Targets something else and boosts it, giving out RSA's Ect Ect.  The target its boosting is doing the same.

http://clip2net.com/s/6xBonZ

Here is a quick and simple picture illustrating what will happen.

The only thing your nerfing is ANY bots that a range fit and have to move.  Now are your going to nerf ERPs?  since that's the ONLY pvp that's going to happen.  Shotgun fits and close range bombs.  That's dumb and takes out dynamics in pvp.

+1

So your nerfing ERPs right?

We always work together.  That is why opposite side dies a lot.

You have some personal vendetta about people playing with more than one account, but the game itself forces people to or they get a very small picture of the game with just one.

You screw people over and over and you have less and less people play.

ridiculous

There are two people crying about it and they are the biggest idiots around here.

Dev Zoom, will you be satisfied when there is just one guy left playing??

Burial, as usual you have no idea what you are talking about and you have one of the biggest flappers in the forums. When was single bot PVP the norm?

Like EVE (EVE EVE EVE EVE) pvp in a game like this requires TEAMS working together, whether small tight nit squads or big flapping blobs. You think we're not working together but relying on follow like its the God-send? ...be prepared to continue to be stomped... because guess what, you suck, and we're better than you. And if steam is success and more PvPers come to game you will be shocked by the teamwork and precision others will bring to the game. So, make your nerf Christmas list. Nothing is going to save you from yourself sucking so hard.

If you want 1v1 then you will need an arena and instances or some other strict rule base. You may see more of it in the upcoming training world, but there's still no guarantee or not getting ganked. "Honor" is not a game mechanic.

As the game is, where territory and asset control means something you will not see much solo pvp except from those rare individuals specializing in at a personal game-play choice. So dream on in should-land or find a whole new game.

As for being hell-bent, It's sickening to see Dev Zoom so easily swayed. I have little faith in you sir.

I have used a follow bot in PvP exactly twice, so I doubt it will affect me at all. And If i do decide to use on on occasion, then there are plenty of work-arounds, and given my teammates know about communication and cooperation, should be almost no difference.

Meanwhile another mechanic is changing unnecessarily due to a low population permitting *** to have a voice.

Burial: correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason people have a followbot with a specialized role (demob, RSA, whatever), is so they can arm their main bot with weapons and tunings to the teeth. And they do this because there is an easy way.

You can argue that a bot whose only job is to demobilize is boring and you're probably right, but there would be no such bot if you couldn't have it on follow. YOU would have to incorporate that one ability into your fit (equip a demob by sacrificing a tuning for example). Or a real friend who is capable of operating more than a demob.

I dare to say it's only boring because the mechanics let you (the players) make it boring.

Seriously do not know why you address that man at all about pvp. Or why you assume what role is fun or not. Being a Tackler is hardly boring. Its a critical role that would normally be filled by lesser EP players in higher population world. Now that ewar put you on the KB makes it even better.

Zoom you seriously need to start playing your own game.

My experience is that those who run DPS bots most of the time find all other roles boring, and typically cry to anything that hinders the effectiveness of their DPeniS.

Yes, its possible to have follow bot with specific demob role just hanging around. But to be an effective demobber you cannot control two clients. Your other client will be on follow or doing nothing unless you are Mad-Skillz-McMulti-Boxer.

If I want two bots on the field I can lose two bots. I don't see the big issue. These 'problems' are population related, nothing else.

Whats to stop someone running two long range grophos just sitting back cycling targets. Slippery slope is slippery. Don't slip Zoom.

@Rex, perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly, but I didn't mean 1 vs 1 fights when I mentioned solo PVP. I completely agree with you that there is little to no honor in PVP and pursueing it would be wasted effort. This fix can improve solo PVPer chances. There's a big difference fighting a gang that all singlebox their accounts vs the same amount of players who all dual- or triplebox tackles, detectors and jamms.

@Zoom, I think you are right about players making the role more boring than needed. Part of the problem is that there are bots that allow it. Maxed skill Castel MK2 with medium aux fit is the most easymode tacklebot ever. It's possible to demob any solo bot and go AFK. It won't be able to break you unless it's a heavy neuter or fit specifically to kill such tacklers and nothing else. If it would actually be required to seek out cover to not explode it would be completely different story and harder to play. This is not crying about enemy and unfairness boo-hoo against myself, I play Castel MK2 detector+tackle and I know how powerful it is.

I don't think using follows to maximise damage output is the worst case scenario. Big issue is using RSA follow bots to archieve fits that are otherwise unreachable by anyone who doesn't do the same, for example max range heavies etc. This is where it's gamebreaking and people who own only single account feel omitted.

Range extender bonuses are cumulative(as are most other bonus-items in head slots!). Each added range extender adds more raw optimal range than the earlier because they work with the previously modified value. The last few range extenders that people with RSA follows fit will add most raw optimal range so it's extremely favorable to ditch local amps.

I'm now not suggesting to nerf range extenders but showing just another little facet that favors people going dualbox. Some might say the problem can be population related but I don't think so. It's just as easy to roll follow bots with more people as it is with less so why should it change? It's more beneficial to have a heavy+follow and seperate logistics guys than just heavy and logistics guys.

Line: I wanted to ask the same actually

Rex, you argue that a followbot is way less effective as compared to an actual player controlled bot, and that's a good thing. The change only enables that players don't even have to think about the inferior method. I think much of this followbot craze is based on "they do it so I have to do it too to stay competitive". The aim here is to tip the balance towards "f*ck it, that's too much effort, I'll do it with one bot".

You hit the nail in the head with this post!

Thanks for pointing it out. But simple no-follow rule for PVP flagged bots is enough.