This would be a step in the right direction, atleast for beta + gamma. Logging is a no go in pvp zones!

2 minutes is a complete joke and 5 minutes is painfully problematic. It was infinite for three years, so I think reducing it from infinite to 15 minutes is reasonable. The only point of changing it was for rare occurrences.

There should be absolutely NO incentive, or even hope that logging off will save you during lock and module aggression. 15 may accomplish that ...5 most certainly will not.

I honestly can't even believe that a 2 minute timer is considered. On a *** scale of 1 - 10 that is definitely potato.

How in gods name do you ever kill a mining party on beta?

Hey, its beta, if you get caught by roamers then you have to deal with it or maybe don't go on beta.
And us? Wanting everything easy mode?

May I remind you of which side cried to the Devs for changes to gamma mechanics that worked in your coalition's favor as easy mode?

Anyways, back on topic, I'll slap in examples.

Ex 1: roamers in speedy lights/assaults discover mining rivelers on beta that are shield tanked
Detector spots roamers,
Miners begin instant log
roamers get to miners and start laying damage.
miners shield's break and health is around half or so
*insta log success*

Ex 2: a small roaming party of mechs run into a solo heavily shield tanked target like a green bot or a lithus
opponent starts insta log
Roamers go to fight/attack it
shield is close to breaking or already broken
*insta log success*

and of course....

Ex 3: SAP defense is in place, a SAP is up and a heavy fleet is sitting on it guarding it.
Enemy mech or heavy mech force with even or superior numbers goes to attack
Detector spots
insta log starts
mech/heavymech squad gets over, kills one or bots MAYBE
*rest insta log successfully*

and that could be either with a 2 minute or 5 minute logoff, i say make it somewhere between 8-12 minutes for insta log, would not be super long, but would hopefully be anywhere near balanced/fair just SOMEWHERE near!

Beast, I am aware of the issues. Tbh I could care less if its 5 or 10 minutes. But since the time to run your PvP flag out is 5 minutes, and for 3 years everyone scrambles to try and kill someone who deaggresses and waits their flag out, I'm suggesting the same time. Even 10 minutes, I dont care. You should be able to kill most bots in 5 minutes and any bot within 10.

No reason to jumble the flag timer with with the log off timer. Flag mechanic relates to docking and jumping to alpha. If your flag drops in the middle of the island that's not going to save you after 5 minutes when you're being agressed. Nor should 5 mins save you on log.

Now if your flag drops and you can safe log after 2 minutes. You should even be able to insta log and disappear from field after 2 minutes still. But ONLY if no player (exclude NPC) is agressing you with some mod.

The 15 minute timer should start on insta log only when agressed by player. If no aggression and no flag, 2 minutes is fine. If flagged then the greater of 2 minutes or remaining flag time.

If you log before agressed the enemy has 2 minutes to agress you. If they miss you in 2 minute window you're safe. If they agress you in before 2 minutes expires 15 minute timer (minus time already logging) to kill you on the field.

5 minutes is reasonable in any case.

I am waiting for you on Xiantor.  You promised we would see you.  I guess I'll have to wait for the weekend  ;P

i guess what everyone is kinda forgetting is any mining party, and most combat situations where someone wants to escape, if they are faced with even a 5 minute minimum log off time, they will simply drop an armoured the instant a masked demobber completes the lock. So for a single target, you only have 3 minutes, and lets say for a party of 3 the last guy will be gone at 4:30.

This is the reality right now.  For the last 3 years you have had to kill someone either before his timer ran out or before his tele charged. ALL SIDES DO THIS.

No matter what, I agree that logoffski should NOT be a viable escape from combat. If 5 is too short, make it 10.
I like 5 since its the same time as the PvP flag, but I don't care what its set at as long as its not indefinite. I won't be using logoffski to avoid combat.  The only time it should occur is an unintentional crash or disco, which unfortunately happens enough in this game. Even then, there is nothing stopping a player relogging in right away usually.

And a logoff trap is completely different and an excellent and valid tactic.

Thx for the tip I didnt know that o7

CHange it, this is not good. 5 min minimum.

I'm 100% positive I can shield just about any bot and have 99.99% chance of 2 min survival

but but!  what abouth the logged of EPITRON mining on gamma!?   lol....

Since of takes at least 60 seconds even in speed mechs to get to miners on beta your talking 60 seconds to kill an entire mining party.

Nerf miners!