Honestly dude, if you can't get around this "problem", then you should leave now and save some money. This isn't a game for *** and whiners that can't even make money on the alpha islands. I run a Waspish with a lock time over 10secs and I farm 100 rookie kernels an hour. How you might ask? Cause I'm not farming around the dam terminals all day, and I'm not doing the bounty/kill&recover missions like every other noob that thinks those are the only ones that raise your relation.

You make a valid point, and I did bother to read your post, cause you seem intelligent enough to hold a conversation with.

My point is that if you can't even farm/do missions with bots and gears given then maybe they need to go play something else. I mean how much more help do you want. The tutorial missions give you all the tools you need to venture off into the game world without coming to the forums to cry about spawn campers.

And it's the amount of treads by noobs about this matter that has got me into flame mode. "Ohh no, I can't do my missions cause there is a jerk camping the spawn, boo hoo." QQ more plz.

It's called exploring the different facets of the game. it's not like they need to do missions to progress now is it? Oh you HAVE to do kill missions? Whats wrong with transport missions, geo missions, mining missions, and recon missions. Maybe if they spent some time exploring the maps they can find good farming spots. And EXP is automatic, money can be made everywhere, and there are plenty of corps around that give out free bots even mech bots now. All you have to do is participate in the game and not be a little whiner with his hands in the air asking for a hand out.

Solutions to this problem of high lvl campers in noob zones have already been suggested like raising the rewards for lvl 2 missions. The original post was so unintelligent that it just put me in bad mode. All he said was QQ I can't do missions, QQ fix it, QQ or I quit.

I also just quoted you to make my post massive.

I have to say that I'm not a noob in MMOs. I've played MMOs for years, in Daoc, SWG, Horizons, Ryzom, Lotro, RFO, etc. I've met many farmers and bots, but never like that.
I thank you all for your answers, it shows that Perpetuum has a very big problem of balancing. I hope the devs will patch it very quickly, before this reputation become well known and irremediabily unchangeable.
Good bye and good hunt !

Well most of the games he just listed would imply he has been playing MMO's for at least a few years, but I myself played UO even longer than yourself. DAoC for multiple years + multiple accounts after that, WoW(lol), EvE, Lineage, Lineage 2, Ryzom, Horizons, AoC, Aion, AO, City of Heroes/Villains, DDO, Warhammer, EQ, EQ2, Guild Wars, Vanguard and countless other paid and free MMO's in the years.

Regardless though, what I'm getting at is I agree with you both.

No I do not think that this should be the first impression that a new player gets right out of the tutorial missions, but on that same page no it also isn't the only option a new player has. But I fail to see how someone running a Mech sees the need to camp a 1st star spawn for countless hours as opposed to say going to and kill some 3rd stars, who also drop T2 equipment and won't have much competition on.

Now as far as the coming to the forums and voicing their concerns about it in an intelligent fashioin, more power to them.

What I do hate to see first thing in the morning is exactly what Asuma is talking about which would be the OMGZ QQ I R GONNA QUIT.. attitudes.

(Edit: It's early I listed EQ2 twice , lol)

Great way to make an impression.....YES SON, YES you are an *** in an MMO, congrats.
You have done more to prove my point that the community can make more of a difference than the game itself.

Your post shows how ignorant you are of this thread and of me......me i can understand, i am not worth much attention really, but you should have read the thread (and the 5 or so others about this topic). I would not really say anything usually, but you are fairly active here and have probably seen my posts a few times, including several here in this thread.
I am not here for "pew pew" mostly, I am a carebear, have been since day one, i carry things around from station to station buying and selling, occasionally i go out and blow up the same mechs that we are talking about on my little used alt, but i said enough about that earlier.
Others however are here for "pew pew", and several newbs have come to the forums posting about how it is hard to fight at mission points because of older players spawn camping the mission areas. My last several comments are aimed at the people that reply back with something along the lines of...."whine moar, QQ moar, go somewhere else or learn to play the game." (being polite)
As i have said several times, if this happened anywhere OTHER than these T1 mission areas i would be saying exactly the same and probably adding a few insults myself.......but to first have newbs deal with this in game, then be treated like $#!^ on the forums for making a suggestion or asking a question is beyond what many will or should accept.
People can disagree with me all they want, but a fact of MMO's is that if you piss off the newbs, they leave taking their money and friends......and their money. No MMO can survive for long without new subs.

First impressions are quite important, no?

When a new player goes on bounty hunting/recon assignment after completing the tutorial and is all happy and excited. And then, instead of an exciting battle and smell of burning metal he finds an assault bot and its alt on steroids circling around the spawn spewing missiles like there is no tomorrow stealing all the kills.

It is a problem and I find it quite strange that it has not been fixed yet. Sure there are plenty of exciting ways to to earn your nic around here. You can find a spawn that is not camped. You can click on the ground and activate your mining modules. You can transport items from a to b and be a robomechatrucker. You can take your calculator and optimize your production lines and search for cheap deals and gullible customers.

Of course I don't know for certain, but am guessing that quite a large percentage of players find pve pewpewing more to their liking than mining/production/trading/hauling.

On a related topic.. combat assignments and pve combat in general in this game is in very sad state. Borrring repetitive and all that unfortunately common mmorpg jazz. I really hope that the devs are bringing in more pew pew related toys and soon.

But new player experience should be top priority especially when you can remove lots of frustration from them by quite simple fixes.

And after some band aid fixes I hope the whole combat assignment and pve-pewpew system gets some love. Until then.. time to hop into my Sequer and enjoy the exciting ride.

Also, and imho most importantly, insulting others is bad m'kay..

I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that in most cases this is an issue of learn to play. I farm mission points because I make twice the money from it. I have an arbalest without any sensor amplifiers so I actually have slower locking time then others. I get angry rude tells once in a while from people in light telling me to *** off. But even with my slower lock time I have no problem getting kills. I have a feeling people are just too lazy to keep the number of targets locked at max and to lock on to fresh spawns. Grindspots are hectic in Perpetuum and takes a bit of twitch unlike other mmorpgs where you can just lazyclick. On a few occasions I have seen assault low locktime lockdowns though and then it's ***. But I have only seen it once since the beginning so it shouldn't be a huge problem.

This can be solved by making harder bots pay more after accounting for increased travel time, increased kill time and increased ammo use.

The Sevant Heralds outside TMA net me far better NIC than the Sevant Grunts that are 500m further away.

I can 2 shot the Heralds so that's 700 nic on ammo but I four or sometimes 5 shot grunts, thats 1400 at best in ammo

Herald 500m away

Kernal              5500
Random loot, say 500
                       ===
Total income    6000
Outlay in ammo 700
                     ====
Profit              5300

Time taken to kill 10s so 530 nic per second

Grunts 1000m away (more travel time but not taken into consideration)

Kernal                6500
Random loot, say 1000
                        ====
Total income       7500
Outlay in ammo   1400
                        ====
Profit                 6100

Time taken to kill 20s so 305 nic per second

I go farm the Grunts these days cos I felt a bit of a douch farming those newb bots but it is costing me serious NIC

When I do that I have to add down time for healing, so I end up at something closer to 150 Nic vs 500 Nics. I actually make three times the money on L1 spawns maybe more. Healing takes lot´s of time...

Wow in this game community is really bad, when someone have valid problem, someone from big corp is saying to him learn to play noob and stfu.
Game have so many flaws and now sucky community too if half population will pay for 2nd month it will be success.
There shouldt be nic farmers on 1st mission spot, not in assault bots. On some missions there are 3-4 mobs respawning and like 3-5 people killing them, and you need them to do many times to incrase standing, to get 2 lvl missions that you cant complete in assault... lol at people that are defending this.