Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Ville wrote:

I specifically showed the kill mails that proved it!

And I shodew the kill mails that proved that AIC and BOS got respawned too!

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

The buildings still died.  They didn't respawn.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

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Ville wrote:

I specifically showed the kill mails that proved it!

And I shodew the kill mails that proved that AIC and BOS got respawned too!

And?  You clearly said after STC realized they couldn't take the SAP by using an exploit they learned would mean consequentless pvp they agreed to both have some fun.   Are you now saying both sides should be punished?

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Buildings weren't able to kill STC and cause respawn bug. They also would be destroyed anyway, with that bug or without it.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Ville wrote:
Line wrote:
Ville wrote:

I specifically showed the kill mails that proved it!

And I shodew the kill mails that proved that AIC and BOS got respawned too!

And?  You clearly said after STC realized they couldn't take the SAP by using an exploit they learned would mean consequentless pvp they agreed to both have some fun.   Are you now saying both sides should be punished?

Why not? Why only STC should be punished if there were more corps using that exploit?

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Because It's not clear if AIC or BOS knew prior to that specific engagement that pvp was broken.  But we do know STC had some prior knowledge.  Which means they used that to their advantage.  Also it was stated even after the bug was discovered the bug they continued to rush the SAP to try to suicide on the destruction sap.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

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Because It's not clear if AIC or BOS knew prior to that specific engagement that pvp was broken.  But we do know STC had some prior knowledge.  Which means they used that to their advantage.  Also it was stated even after the bug was discovered the bug they continued to rush the SAP to try to suicide on the destruction sap.

Few posts ago STC said and AIC proved that when they realised they are experiencing that bug they shared that with AIC, they confirmed they have the same issue and organised a fight for fun. Are direct words of those who partipicated enough clear to you?

Perp-kill says that one of AIC/BOS was killed more than twice - is that enough to discover you're experiencing a bug?

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

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Buildings weren't able to kill STC and cause respawn bug. They also would be destroyed anyway, with that bug or without it.

This is what Arga clearly said yesterday,  even if the buildings were going to get destroyed anyways doesn't matter, the defenders were not getting loot dropped by the attacker.  Which means non consequent pvp for the attacker and the defender gets stuck losing buildings and nothing more.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Line wrote:
Ville wrote:

Because It's not clear if AIC or BOS knew prior to that specific engagement that pvp was broken.  But we do know STC had some prior knowledge.  Which means they used that to their advantage.  Also it was stated even after the bug was discovered the bug they continued to rush the SAP to try to suicide on the destruction sap.

Few posts ago STC said and AIC proved that when they realised they are experiencing that bug they shared that with AIC, they confirmed they have the same issue and organised a fight for fun. Are direct words of those who partipicated enough clear to you?

Perp-kill says that one of AIC/BOS was killed more than twice - is that enough to discover you're experiencing a bug?

Doesn't matter to me line, I just want my building back and  those who were clearly using this as an advantage be discplined.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Ville wrote:
Line wrote:

Buildings weren't able to kill STC and cause respawn bug. They also would be destroyed anyway, with that bug or without it.

This is what Arga clearly said yesterday,  even if the buildings were going to get destroyed anyways doesn't matter, the defenders were not getting loot dropped by the attacker.  Which means non consequent pvp for the attacker and the defender gets stuck losing buildings and nothing more.

Bug can't be reproduced manually that means you can't count on it in PvP. Also players can't take any responsibility for the bugs that are just happen and you can't do anything with that.

Noone knew before that there will be no loot so sorry. Well, at least you didn't died.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Ville wrote:
Line wrote:
Ville wrote:

Because It's not clear if AIC or BOS knew prior to that specific engagement that pvp was broken.  But we do know STC had some prior knowledge.  Which means they used that to their advantage.  Also it was stated even after the bug was discovered the bug they continued to rush the SAP to try to suicide on the destruction sap.

Few posts ago STC said and AIC proved that when they realised they are experiencing that bug they shared that with AIC, they confirmed they have the same issue and organised a fight for fun. Are direct words of those who partipicated enough clear to you?

Perp-kill says that one of AIC/BOS was killed more than twice - is that enough to discover you're experiencing a bug?

Doesn't matter to me line, I just want my building back and  those who were clearly using this as an advantage be discplined.

And here we go, you just want your buildings back and that's it. But hey, what does EULA to do here? There is no word that you should get reimbursement of things you can't protect so maybe you stop QQ here and go build a defence system?

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Sure they can, nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to undock each of the 8-9 times they respawned in the station with 0 consequence.

Good discipline measure would be to remove what they lost on killboard from what they have in private storage. That way is fair and nobody gets banned. If they don't have it in private/corp storage, take it out of their wallet according to market prices.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

And pulling one thing out of corp storage with two different clients to create two sets of items was just a bug right line?  And by that logic styx shouldn't have gotten banned huh Line?

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

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And pulling one thing out of corp storage with two different clients to create two sets of items was just a bug right line?  And by that logic styx shouldn't have gotten banned huh Line?

I don't know anything about duping so I'll just leave it for you to be expert. But hey, Styx got his punishment and left the game stop kicking the corpse.

@Syndic: how do you mix STC/AIC fight with STC/CIR? Those are separated cases absolutely.

And yes, you've already killed more STC than they got respawned during that fight - thats more than enough to feed your revenge hunger.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

I'm not mixing anything. It's quite simple, anyone and everyone who lost bots that ended up getting respawned, should have such bots removed from their storages or if they dont have any left the value removed from their wallets.

That way dead bots are dead for real consequence. Problem solved.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Line wrote:
Ville wrote:
Line wrote:

Few posts ago STC said and AIC proved that when they realised they are experiencing that bug they shared that with AIC, they confirmed they have the same issue and organised a fight for fun. Are direct words of those who partipicated enough clear to you?

Perp-kill says that one of AIC/BOS was killed more than twice - is that enough to discover you're experiencing a bug?

Doesn't matter to me line, I just want my building back and  those who were clearly using this as an advantage be discplined.

And here we go, you just want your buildings back and that's it. But hey, what does EULA to do here? There is no word that you should get reimbursement of things you can't protect so maybe you stop QQ here and go build a defence system?

Summing up Lines Posts:  Discredit the attacker, post his logic and reasoning, counter attacks the other party by attempting to bring down others, realise he's wrong, insults other party. 

Your text book.   I'm done with trolling.  This is a serious matter and it shouldn't be swept under the rug as a good ol time for all.   I believe STC had full knowledge pre engagement what would happen if they went out pvping.  Just because they fell short of their goal doesnt mean anyone should feep sorry for them.  An exploit is an exploit.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Syndic wrote:

I'm not mixing anything. It's quite simple, anyone and everyone who lost bots that ended up getting respawned, should have such bots removed from their storages or if they dont have any left the value removed from their wallets.

That way dead bots are dead for real consequence. Problem solved.

There is no reason to punish players for uncontrolled bug.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Ville wrote:
Line wrote:
Ville wrote:

Doesn't matter to me line, I just want my building back and  those who were clearly using this as an advantage be discplined.

And here we go, you just want your buildings back and that's it. But hey, what does EULA to do here? There is no word that you should get reimbursement of things you can't protect so maybe you stop QQ here and go build a defence system?

Summing up Lines Posts:  Discredit the attacker, post his logic and reasoning, counter attacks the other party by attempting to bring down others, realise he's wrong, insults other party. 

Your text book.   I'm done with trolling.  This is a serious matter and it shouldn't be swept under the rug as a good ol time for all.   I believe STC had full knowledge pre engagement what would happen if they went out pvping.  Just because they fell short of their goal doesnt mean anyone should feep sorry for them.  An exploit is an exploit.

A pre engagement knowledge of a bug that MAY or MAY NOT be applied, whoa! What a deadly knowledge! What a great advantage!

Based on my own experience of that bug, I'm sure some of the CIR bots were immortal on those fights. I also believe that such experienced players prolly knew about that bug pre engagement and were'nt risking any bot. No matter they didn't died - they were ABLE to respawn. That automatically makes them and everyone else a known potential exploiters.

One and only fair solution that can be applied here - is to reimburse EVERY losses on that period for EVERYONE, that will suits all of us for sure.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

You can avoid hitting undock, should be obvious the first 4 times not 9

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Line wrote:
Ville wrote:
Line wrote:

And here we go, you just want your buildings back and that's it. But hey, what does EULA to do here? There is no word that you should get reimbursement of things you can't protect so maybe you stop QQ here and go build a defence system?

Summing up Lines Posts:  Discredit the attacker, post his logic and reasoning, counter attacks the other party by attempting to bring down others, realise he's wrong, insults other party. 

Your text book.   I'm done with trolling.  This is a serious matter and it shouldn't be swept under the rug as a good ol time for all.   I believe STC had full knowledge pre engagement what would happen if they went out pvping.  Just because they fell short of their goal doesnt mean anyone should feep sorry for them.  An exploit is an exploit.

A pre engagement knowledge of a bug that MAY or MAY NOT be applied, whoa! What a deadly knowledge! What a great advantage!

Based on my own experience of that bug, I'm sure some of the CIR bots were immortal on those fights. I also believe that such experienced players prolly knew about that bug pre engagement and were'nt risking any bot. No matter they didn't died - they were ABLE to respawn. That automatically makes them and everyone else a known potential exploiters.

One and only fair solution that can be applied here - is to reimburse EVERY losses on that period for EVERYONE, that will suits all of us for sure.

+1 and buildings.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Line wrote:

A pre engagement knowledge of a bug that MAY or MAY NOT be applied, whoa! What a deadly knowledge! What a great advantage!

Based on my own experience of that bug, I'm sure some of the CIR bots were immortal on those fights. I also believe that such experienced players prolly knew about that bug pre engagement and were'nt risking any bot. No matter they didn't died - they were ABLE to respawn. That automatically makes them and everyone else a known potential exploiters.

One and only fair solution that can be applied here - is to reimburse EVERY losses on that period for EVERYONE, that will suits all of us for sure.

That would work if you actually killed us. I give it a 4/10. Try harder. lol

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Syndic wrote:
Line wrote:

A pre engagement knowledge of a bug that MAY or MAY NOT be applied, whoa! What a deadly knowledge! What a great advantage!

Based on my own experience of that bug, I'm sure some of the CIR bots were immortal on those fights. I also believe that such experienced players prolly knew about that bug pre engagement and were'nt risking any bot. No matter they didn't died - they were ABLE to respawn. That automatically makes them and everyone else a known potential exploiters.

One and only fair solution that can be applied here - is to reimburse EVERY losses on that period for EVERYONE, that will suits all of us for sure.

That would work if you actually killed us. I give it a 4/10. Try harder. lol

Ok you wasn't killed, you have nothing to complain about here, move along. At the end, if your bases will be reimbursed and others punished that will give you unfair advantage so GTFO and HTFU as you always do.

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Wait, how is a bot getting killed and reimbursed any different than a building? Their both valuable assests destroyed in a 1-sided PVP battle.

There's no difference, if destroyed bots are returned, then buildings must also. That includes the cost of the building and the construction charges needed to build it.

Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

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Wait, how is a bot getting killed and reimbursed any different than a building? Their both valuable assests destroyed in a 1-sided PVP battle.

There's no difference, if destroyed bots are returned, then buildings must also. That includes the cost of the building and the construction charges needed to build it.

Thats exactly what do I'm offering. Reimburse EVERYTHING that have been lost in period between 2012-06-29 and 2012-07-02. cuz there is no other solution that suits every contributing party.

Or just leave everything as it is smile

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Re: Information on the robot death bug (2012-07-02)

Dev blog said loses will be returned and accounts involved temp suspended thank you devs for doing the right thing and discipline the cheaters.

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