The point exactly.

I don't think trying to turtle is going to work, unless you have players on 24/7. Without a player there to adust strategies based on the attackers being able to terraform around your implacements, the shell will be cracked and tasty soup will be had by all. Gamm corps can only feed the homeless people on turtle soup for just so long, before their funds and/or patience is exhausted.

Scenerio: Miners are walled in on gamma. Fleet jumps in, triggers probe. Miners log off. Fleet proceeds to base, blows up stuff, leaves happy and well fed, returns an hour later for another meal. Activities only occur while main force is online, miners get bored and go to alpha, no minerals are available for production, and transport is weary of hauling in scarab loads of ammo and teleporters.

Of course.

All I'm saying is that corps without 24/7 coverage won't last on gamma.

Blog said no, but it is on the test server. They also said 1 terminal, but changed it to 3. So don't put too much stock in the blog.

Not everyone is going to be building on gamma, there will be corps that simply choose to attack gamma bases from alpha.

Along with that, alliances or corps that do choose to build on gamma, will at some point be attacked and be driven off gamma. That corp will then also become an 'anti-gamma' corp.

Here is where the low server population will work against gamma alliances, because even a small band of raiders attacking during off times can make trouble.

But, not to be too gloomy here. Because it's really a case where the population has to go up, which should fix the 24/7 issue. And if it doesn't go up.... well, lets just keep positive that it will.

the terraform beacon chargers use way too much accu either increase the cycle time so i we can run them cap stable or reduce the accu usage please

currently you suck every bot with the best possbile fitting and extensions dry in a matter of seconds

Take a few more beacons and place it around the hole to finish terraforming depending on your plan you will be able to reach it. Beacons cover an are around 75m.

In a nutshell, here is the real issue.  Someone turtles in an island, and then deploys PBS structures within 1000m of those defenses.  Now, if you want to assault that turtle for the intestines, you have no way to do it, because you cannot terraform within 1000m of another corp's PBS structure.  No response is possible at that point, there is no counter.

All the defender has to do is keep a narrow area that can be terraformed down quickly and keep an alt there, someone wants in, you open a hole, they come in, you close it off again.

The main issue here is that there would be no counter, bombs do not work on terraformed walls, which can be created easily and quickly, you do not even have to terraform the whole landscape, just a 1 tile wide dirt wall. So long at there is a pbs within 1000 m of the area, no one else can terraform it.

Terraforming Suggestion:

Can we remover the "smoother" from terraforming? i think the leveling charge is good enough to make a flat plain for a building. smoothing just seems to be an extra UN-needed step in-order to place a building.

1. /agree the beacons should be some where around 250M to 500M i think would be good . . .

About the walls, it takes a metric *** of work to barricade a TP. It takes a one hole to get in .

The work load is heavily on the side of the defender, unless the walls are actively defended.

And if you make that wall and deploy a pbs structure within 1000m of it, no one else can terraform it down, does not need repair, and is basically permanent, with no counter.

Agreed.

Also, if undefended, they would need to barricade all the teleporters, or attackers could just drop a TP and jump to another external TP on the island and run back.

Which leads to all sorts of intersting situations;

1) Attackers only have 1 TP with them, and not TF modules (or run out of charges). Ooops. No access to the beta-bound TP means they are stuck on gamma island or have to try to run out through multiple Gamma islands and hope they aren't all blockaded. Or wait for someone to bring a TP and can in; and hope the TF barrier isn't 101m wide.

2) Defenders actually do block all the TP's, but want to engage the attackers, but because they have to drag a TP 1000m from the station, the timing is jacked, and the best the can do is drop a couple of bots at a time into a merkle trap at the remote external TP.

3) Defenders simply let anyone with a TP transit their island, and feed the turtle a few times a week with extensive TP remodling.

As a side note: while you can target and run TF charges anywhere further than 50m from the external TP, they have no effect; the Terrain is "locked" out to a certain distance. This makes the raidus of the TF barrier very large, as Siddy points out. And to be effective, it would also need multiple rings.

Estimating the TF costs at about 10k per cycle, a single ring around the TP would be about 44M NIC. NIC need to defeat said ring - 50k.

Edit: Just FYI, did the maths, making 5 concentric rings spaced 20m apart would take 230M NIC, assuming 5 cycles per tile, so 1 'bot cycle per tile' @ 10s per tile would be about 55 hours of work per bot. Assuming you had a fleet of 10 terraformers, you could completely/effectively block 1 TP in 5.5 hours.

Time to counter 10 players working 5.5. hours, 1 bot, 1 bot cycle per ring, 5 rings, 50 seconds. Adding in relock and movement time, lets call it 2 mins.

55 hours and 230M to build.
2 mins and 250k to counter.

Then you then run into the issue that Siddy and Arga have high-lighted.

Now you will be on the side of it being too easy for the counter.