no

Currently the bombs are just too big and cost too much to be practical except in cases where you have very little time.  Also why can't we just lock and shoot the damn wall?  It doesn't make any sense.

On a side note, maybe plasma bomb explosions should create a ping on the radar.  I mean a big boom is supposed to be hard to miss right?

Just wanted to point out, that i have nothing against walls and like the tactical possibilities, but as they are right now, they make almost impossible for new players and corps to even see pvp without a lot of investment thet they just don't have.

How the hell do you expect no get more players, if every new feature seems to be targeted against newer players.

I get it, that a new player shouldn't have a big impact on the beta islands, but as walls are now (and probes, but that's another matter), you cannot get to beta anymore and see in my opinion the most selling argument about this game.

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The rest of you guys are Hacks

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ?

This discussion has moved from wall maintainenc, to being able to quickly revert back to the old style of roaming PVP play. Weaker walls or smaller bombs will allow stealthed bots to completely negate/bypass  the wall and beacon system. Resetting the game to roaming PVP, ninja sap looting, and ganking.

I keep saying it, roaming and territory war need to be seperated. There would be much less push-back on the wall system, if there were still areas that allowed players to continue to play a pirate/ganking/roaming style.

I'm not talking about seperating pvp combat, nor adding in a mechanic that would require any particular type of play style. Players are free to roam the non-territory areas with 20 player heavy mech groups if they want, and solo masked ewar are still able to visit territory spaces; and you can consider both of those roams. But, that 20 player hmech group isn't likely to get any fights in a fast moving roaming space, while the ewar is going to find it difficult to be effective in the territory.

But, its more likely that an outpost (if they have the numbers online) are going to engage a 20 man fleet to defend thier SAP, as its more likely an ewar is going to play a strong game of cat and mouse in a no wall/ no detector area.

When a single ewar can stop all activity, and require a squad of players to undock and chase them around for an hour, that is too far balanced to single combat. Yes, the game has made 1 player happy, but frustrated many others that had to push him around. That's OK occasionally, but when it happens too foten, it can keep an outpost docked up and bored for days, and that drives people from the game.

So, it IS about seperating the two. Right now there's no where for the small roam to go, and that's not good, but they have also had free rein for many months; which I suppose makes it even harder on that type of player.

Remember though, there are (6) beta Island, and not all of them are strongly occupied... yet. Players ARE moving out to beta, if one island is too hard to roam, then try the others.

Its important to remember, this game is player driven. Every new module, item, and bot changes the way the game plays. I don't disagree that changes can have an impact on how individuals, groups, and alliances play, if they didn't then they wouldn't be changes.

I'm essentially talking about (2) types of zones still.

And your're using consensual PVP likes its a bad thing.

Although, if your SAP goes active, its always a choice if you want to defend. If there's 40 Hmechs and your at 100%, I'm going out on a limb and say your not going to undock with your (4) guys that are online. If its 10 enemies, and you have 8 or 10 guys, you probably ARE going to undock; this is true with or without an active SAP.

What is bad, is when the majority of the combat is non-consensual ganking. Remeber, in non-consensual, only 1 side is pleased that it happens.

There's a big difference between a single ewar enemy being on a island, and KNOWING that it's just the 1 bot. Much like termites, if you see one, it's only prudent to assume there are more.

consensual we have .... on alpha! & lets keep it there. If your on Beta its a free for all. Dont like then dont come here.
Back on topic: i feel as said b4 the number of walls you build shouldnt be limited. But a regular aintenance/refueling cost should be added.
@ those who used the example of the stone walls we see IRL i say to you this: were they built of ninites? NO lol.. this is a game set in the future. Build by tiny machines. They could require power no? so on going maintanace costs seem reasonable.

It would seem those who are saying No to this are the ones who have built more walls than the chines managed to in 2000 years

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ?

You consent to getting ganked the minute you jump on beta............

@Kald

I'm not sure how to respond without it coming out as corporate dialog, but I'll try.

I admit my play style has an influence over my presonal preferrences, how couldn't it. But your also making assumptions about my play style (as is Scylla and Daz).

My stance on the walls is simple:

    Walls add a sense of security to beta Islands, making living there a better risk/reward ratio.

I was there right around launch, living out of Hydelhorn. It was hard enough back then keeping an outpost with 50 active players online nightly, let alone awhen corps are averaging 10 active players.

My opinion in this case has nothing to do with mining and everything to do with creating an environment that allows the smaller corps we have now to effectively secure an area. If that security involves a heavy time commitment price tag, then it defeats the purpose.

@Daz

Walls don't put any limits on the PVP mechanics, it doesn't constrain them. When I talk about seperating beta into two TYPES of areas, I'm not trying to make it like Alpha; It's about creating two types of PVP areas, that promote different types of engagments.

Solo players say that walls killed thier roaming PVP style. Decaying walls will bring it back, it will mean that the players that want the walls will have to spend a large portion of thier play time supporting them. To put words in your mouth "They don't have to, they can let them drop", which puts the game exactly back where it was without walls. Roaming is happy again, yea for them, but the sense of security is gone and the risk of owning an outpost increases again, and we are right back to the same situation.

My solution is to make beta areas where you can't put walls or probes, with some loot objective, which will make them roam friendly. Allowing BOTH small and territorial PVP to exist, where making walls temporary, simply returns the game to the previous roaming state.

The current state, may or may not increase the server population, but we already know that the previous status quo did not.

I disagree Daz

You are correct, that I 2.0 made outpost about roaming gangs, but I think that was the consequnce, not the intent. Defending territory was never "not hard", and 2.0 didn't make it easy, it made it not worth the effort to take the SAP, because the roaming gang didn't want the outpost, just the loot.

I'm also not talking about creating an arena for good fights, I'm talking about having an area where there's no territory defense, so no need for pbs.

I've said this a number of times too, Walls do not defend anything. I sense you disagree with that as you keep coming back to it, and implying that the walls are doing something 'magical'.

If I have 2 combat bots, and you attack with 10 combat bots, how exactly do walls make provide me with a win?
Sure, I know your coming and can dock up, but I'm not in anyway 'defending' the outpost then.

If I have 8 and you have 10, then yes, I can use my walls to help even the odds and help defend, but I have to have people still to do it.

The same thing with indy bots. If there are NO combat bots online, and you come onto the island, then my only recourse is to dock up, and you've just effectively interrupted my production. Walls don't allow me to mine or harvest 100% safely, if I'm missing something maybe you can tell me so I can mine 100% safely (No, the celebro method is not safe, its a death trap).

Short and to the point Ville.