1 (edited by Celebro 2012-01-16 21:57:23)

Topic: Bots exclusive to beta only.

The rewards on beta got much better, yet more work is involved in actually doing this. Will beta players feel the burn out soon?..One can only guess tbh.

So, thinking about the beta incentives added recently with more efficient facilities. Well, does not sound that bad, less work for more return on the industrial side. But is it really what most pvp players want? After all, beta = pvp.


I would suggest in the future to have bots exclusive to beta construction and/ or only for beta use ( that means no tp to alpha). Probably some gliders or future mk3 bots come to mind, but basically anything exclusive to beta other than facilities and epitron would make it so much more fun.

Edit: Forgot about walls and plasma bombs coming but meh.. Bigger badder bots sounds more interesting big_smile

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

So I can't bring them to someone elses island?

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

Not if you need to go through an alpha island I am afraid tongue. The present world does not pose many opportunities , that's why I said something to keep in mind for the future with more interconnected beta island. Inter- island teleports also comes to mind.

You can still use it for defence and farming kernels much faster in beta, that's a big bonus.

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

If the beta bot is 'awesome' then alpha pirates/corpbusters are at a huge disadvantage. If the beta bot is just 'ok' then its not all that much of an incentive to move to beta just to build them.

Meaning, you end up in a situation, again, where only Beta corps can fight other Beta corps; or the bot has NO effect on the game.

Its hard to see a 'middle' balance where a beta only bot would be desirable but not over-powered.

The idea of building bots that can't use a Teleporter is VERY interesting though. You can package them up and move them, but you can't drive them from Island to Island...

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

Arga wrote:

If the beta bot is 'awesome' then alpha pirates/corpbusters are at a huge disadvantage. If the beta bot is just 'ok' then its not all that much of an incentive to move to beta just to build them.

I can see how this can be a problem. A solution to this would be if beta bots would have to be highly specialized with a highly good advantage to use them but very weak in other areas. (Eg high dps but very slow)


Arga wrote:

The idea of building bots that can't use a Teleporter is VERY interesting though. You can package them up and move them, but you can't drive them from Island to Island...

Yes I like that idea even if its beta only, can be assembled on an enemy beta terminal and taken to battle, very interesting.

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

well, you need to be settled on beta to use heavy mechs in PvP on regular basis, dont you?

afaik their production needs tons of epriton which is most likely harder to transport then titan ore.
MK2 Heavy mechs are even more expensive -> for pvp i would says they are beta exclusive already.

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

these bot dont have to be that much better, but maybe if zhey are cheeper that will also be of intrest.

just an idea.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

I say no, lets not turn it into eve where you can only have dreads and carriers etc in low sec, everyone should be able to get any bot if they want it.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

They should be able to be made anywhere and go anywhere but their guns will only fire on Beta.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

kustom wrote:

They should be able to be made anywhere and go anywhere but their guns will only fire on Beta.

How about bots that only receive a bonus while on Beta islands... That means the Bot collecter on Alpha can build it and sell it but not reveive any bonus unless it hits the shores of a free fire island. Not some crazy 25% more dps bonus either. The community is still waiting on these Stealth vs Speed vs Damage vs Tank assaults that were talked about oh so long ago. How about a few more toys to dig in the sand even tho most people don't like lights and assaults the way some of us do I think that would be the best starting point as it gives New players an broader selection of paths to take early on.

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

oh yeah, i want a sequer-clone that goes invisible when i enter beta island with it. Great idea
+1

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

I think its early for that, when the game have more people and islands, but for now I dont think.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

JoJo McNugget wrote:

I say no, lets not turn it into eve where you can only have dreads and carriers etc in low sec, everyone should be able to get any bot if they want it.

It was never a bad idea in eve, though somewhat over powered. The only problem there is the uncontrollable boting going on in null sec, where these exclusive ships can be easily made in vast numbers, which was not intended. It does not even need to be dps bots, could just be bots specialising in nexus boosts or mining boosts.

My general idea is these bots should take huge resources to build.Where only with high organized corp or alliance can reap  the rewards and have more goals to achieve other than just living on beta for a few industrial rewards.

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

for current game mechanic: no

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

The outposts, on beta, can give bots bonuses already. Its a benefit of owning an outpost.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

Beta only bot with 26 medium gun slots and moves 15 kph.  Autocannon specialist.

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

Arga wrote:

The outposts, on beta, can give bots bonuses already. Its a benefit of owning an outpost.


Ok... then again outpost are not mobile tongue

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

Ville wrote:

Beta only bot with 26 medium gun slots and moves 15 kph.  Autocannon specialist.

oh that's the spirit, who needs proximity probes with a few of these waiting big_smile

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

Some Perpetuum version of the Dread would be the obvious choice with PBS on the way, but with current mechanics, and assuming it was properly balanced (eg doesn't out DPS Heavies on anything smaller than a building) theres no real reason to limit it to beta only, since there is no PvP to unbalance, and inaccuracy would make it useless for PvE. IF PvP ever came to Alpha in some limited form it would be a different matter.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

JoJo McNugget wrote:

I say no, lets not turn it into eve where you can only have dreads and carriers etc in low sec, everyone should be able to get any bot if they want it.

This.

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

I like the idea of a slow big bot that has to be "set up" so to speak there for can not use a tele does not have to be pure pvp

Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

I like the idea although this would only work if there were more beta islands where you could get to any beta island through other beta islands(walk the ring with out having to go through alpha).

I think it could use some tweaks:

* the Bots would be MK3 versions ? - this could work

* the Bots would have to be made in a factory you corp owns ( this makes owning a station WORTH something)

* the Bots should be more unique over the current versions that we have ( more along the lines of the hybrids that were mentioned months ago.)

* the Bots should require new beta only minerals introduced into the game | or you would need to use the PL-10 / 90 forms of the minerals currently in game, this would make the rares useful for things other than just recycling. This would drastically reduce the proliferation of these bots and add to their rarity.

* the Bots could (this is a wish item) have a corporate paint job with the corp logo on the bot some where 8)

+1 to OP idea

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Re: Bots exclusive to beta only.

They should be as big as mountains too!