Nav 10 dont need any situation, if you are in a team that dont the "most of" i used nav 8 in the begin 4-5 mounth, but I could do 10 i had EP for that, but really didnt needed, because we work in team. And some other situation you dont need nav 10 and you can save many EP. So thats extension i think viable not like other skills but is.

I prefer Campana idea about speed buff from accumulator, with cooldowns or anything. We should be talking about that not navigation delete.

your just proving my point. lets say a new player gets nav to 7-8 then spend the rest of his skill points into damage, fitting w/e. now he and his other corp mates go out and feel like pvping, he may do nice damage and be able to fully fit there bot out BUT if your roaming and trying to keep as fast as possible the people with nav 10 will be flying in comparison to the nav 8 players, and beleive me having nav 8 trying to keep with people with nav 10 is not fun ( especially when your in a green bot....). Not to mention if you run into any opponants with nav 10 that knows the slightest *** about what there doing your going to burn.

So if you train Data processing to 10 first it's kinda broken?
And if you train Reactor expansion to 10 first it's kinda broken?

Sorry, it's says nothing about the balance of an extension, when it is your first level 10 extension .

Btw, my main has Nav 8 only and my alt Nav 9. Both do fine and I see no reason, why I should spend 7550 (or more) EP the next time to get 5% more spreed which I don't need.

I even did some PvP with my main who just has Nav 8 and I didn't do to bad .

PS: yes, I hear the shouts "but but you NEED Nav 10 !!!!111eleven" ... no, you don't need it!
It's like all level 10s a spezialisation for those who want it. Other can make much better use of this EP in other extensions.
Why should my Producer, Miner or Suporter (ak Nexus Slave) want Nav 10? He he has much more use with Basic Squad Management 10.

You don't need Nav 10, your bot still rolls forward with Nav 1.

You don't need Adv Robotics 10, you can undock with Adv Robotics 1.

You don't need extension higher then X, because the prerequiste is Y.

Ok so there is a choice to leave NAV at 1 upto 10, but who wants too leave it low?

If I was forced to cross a desert and they offer me to take water or food, would be wise to take water, why offer a food choice and I would certainly want Nav 10 anyways. Take the nav skill off please, making an obvious choice is not a choice anymore.

I suggested removal of the Nav skill 4 months ago. Carebears that aren't getting nav to 10 are just hurting themselves. In a game where time is so important, wasting a few seconds here and there add up over the course of months.

Everything will either be the same speed or faster. How does this effect range at all?
Misinformed?

Navigation is an important skill to train. Just because many people feel it could be removed from the game and it will balance everyone down to slower speeds does not justify removing it from the game. All of my accounts have Nav 10, pvp and miner alike. If Nav gets removed from the game it will hurt the game not improve it.

There are a whole host of skills that are not in the game that would benefit the game such as:
Skill to enhance signal detection: (with out detector module)
Skill to enhance masking: (with out masker module)
Skill to carry more cargo: (we have skills to increase number of locked targets, armor amount, reactor capacity and accumulator capacity why not cargo capacity)

More depth and complexity please not less…

well the way I see it is when a extension becomes the rule its not a specialization.....

how ever if you choose Logistics doesn't NAV 10 cost like 20K versus combat only needing to spend 14K?

I think both removing it and keeping it has it's benefits.

But Personally I am for keeping the navigation skill. The Navigation skill is one of the main things that stops new players from immediately getting on to the field. And if a new player or a player without Navigation level 10 does go onto a pvp field, their disadvantage shows and should encourage them to get it up.

Like I said before, There are pro's and Con's to keeping it and removing it, but that is just my personal opinion.

Speed is never a disadvantage. Using LWF's are, but there is no penalties or downsides to having Nav 10.

My opinion is do A or B:

A. Make highways systems all interconnect and be far more extensive, covering all common routes between islands / outposts etc and leave Nav in the game. Have a travelling system like in stEVE, where you can automatically send your bot to a location.
B. Remove Nav from the game, buff all base speeds by the same as Nav 10.

IMO the right and better choice is A.

Fix A, and Navigation won't be such a blaring problem as it is now. Its only 12K for a combat toon and close to 20K for an industrial.

If travelling around Nia was better, Nav 10 would not be such a requirement for PvE (although still very important for PvP, but less game breaking)