What do you mean by this,  how are they being "pushed back into it" ?

If you mean that they are dying repeatedly, and running back to alpha.. well,.. its not gona help going back to the nest, they need to stay out of the nest and learn to adapt.  There is no experience to be gained in "the nest"

an effective assault is in the range of 2m NIC. I make that in one session. I get a session a day usual, sometimes less.

so if I lose a bot a day, it takes me another day or two to replace ... sounds like fun ?

I have a lot of fun in that little badboy

Anyways, I'm not here to name names or call anyone out.  I've seen what I consider complete BS from every major Corp, and also gotten some very cool small scale stuff from just about all of them.  Everyone has to play their own game, but I think most will agree that grinding new corps like Nex, Foom, or FC out of the game just to get some quick cheap kills is a bit short sighted. 

Give them some good small light/assault fights.  Tone down the fits a bit, and if they do win so what?  If you get run over by another large roaming group, again, so what?  I have permanent treadmarks on me I've been run over so many times, but I bet I've also had more great 1v1's then most people on the server in the past month.

By the way Sundial, after my last fantastic 1v1 with Xelobain, you can let him know that he now completely scares me.....

Yeah, no side is perfect... I was a bit ashamed of my own alliance last night wiping CCCP with a superior force. I don't care if I get *** for saying this, but this is the kind of behavior that results in an empty beta. And no side is without fault for doing stuff like this and not practicing restraint.

If we want new corps to stay on beta, using superior force is never a good idea, whether it be Novastrov or Wambulance...

I think now is the time for all beta alliances to come together and stop doing this crap. We wan't a healthy active beta, zerging new players off of it is NOT ok, regardless of the corp tag. Regardless of *** talking. Regardless of anything. Everyone should know better than this.

Do smaller roams on these islands... give new alliances/corps a chance to make a name for themselves on beta. Give them fun, fair fights. Stop saying "lol look at all these roaches in lights and assults we stomp you off island X newbs" and start contributing to a healthy beta environment.

The large alliances are pretty annoying in the aspect of their disregard for what they're doing. I remember when FOOM first hit Beta, we were having a good time. Everyone was saying how glad they were that there was fresh faces on beta and that they wanted to see us grow. Then on the other hand everyone roamed us on a daily basis. The whole pat you on the back and then knife you situation was pretty annoying and I see it happening on Als now.

FOOM never wanted to be a part of anything big, but the other corps in the game kinda forced that by grinding our new pilots every single day. You don't really have much other options than to join a blob or die. It's one thing to have decent fights every so often, but when you do it multiple times a day with sizeable forces, you may as well be declaring war. The main reason I can see that the bigger groups don't make it formal is because it would make them look like bullies for picking on the small guy, so they just roam and hope that no one notices outside the people getting bent over on a daily basis.

Like I said in chat the other day, I feel sorry for Squid. Everyone's just going to roam them now because they're active and excited about the game. I give it another week or so before their members start to realize this crap is going to keep happening until they either leave or form a truce with one of their daily raiders. It would be nice if the people doing it at least stated their intentions. But I suppose the killboards speak volumes more truth anyway.

Grim, that reminds me of beta...

there was a lack PvP, and if you ever activated your PvP flag on your Heavy mech around an alpha terminal near someone else who had it active, you could see how the GC filled with login messages.

their TS at that moment could be compared with the seagulls from finding nemo.

The suggestion was made before. But essentially that non-resource Island would be just like an arena, where only players that want 'fair' fights would go. The same thing can be arranged now by using the existing arena on alpha, and simplying flagging up and fighting. Except this Arena Island would end up with blobs of small bots sitting on the TP waiting for players to zone in, until everyone just stopped going there. It would have the achievement of being Perp's least used Island though.

The purpose of terra-forming will also be to make choke points. TP's or land bridges, it will always be in a defenders best interest to funnel attacking troops through congested area, this will be even more true with artillary or mines, in conjunction with AOE damage.

What I saw in many of the intrusions though, wasn't an attempt to stop an invasion at the telelporter, because in general it's poor ground to fight on and you have to divide your forces between multiple entry points and leave your objectives unguarded.

The remainder of the gate games end up being to limit roaming while performing operations. Or just limiting access.

If an outpost owner has the man-power and will to sit on the congestion point they are going to do it, or create a congestion point.

Because of the way intrusion mechanics are currently, only happening every 3 days, roaming has become the defacto standard of PVP. With new mechanics that generate pvp opportunities daily at multiple locations, 'generic' roaming for the LoLs will dissapate and objective based pvp will hopefully become the norm.

That being the case, making it easier to 'roam' should not be the primary focus of PVP changes, but improving objective based PVP should.

You can break through gates, keeping eyes on them isn’t the end all be all.  To open a different can of worms, I blame detectors and maskers for many of the small scale PvP woes the game is having, but that’s a different issue….

So long as there are multiple gates in, with decent spacing, a determined raiding force will get in.  Myself and many others proved this many times over. 

The way things are now with detector bots, we stand little chance of roaming a defended island, and the raiding “pirate” game is very dead.  That, imo, causes (edit-I should say is one of the causes) people to blob up, and is partially responsible for the situation we have.

There was never a “pirate” game like in Eve, but small group raiding was once pretty common.  Now it isn’t.

Edit – The origination of the term “pirate” in this game as far as I know, and if I’m wrong I welcome correction, was coined in a post on these very forums from a member of M2S.  After ECORP had been ejected from Koykili by the combined efforts of Southern Dom and Infestation, the dedicated PvP people from the former Northern Dom alliance started small group harassment of the corps still on Dom.  Amid much forum smack talk, a member of M2S made a post something like “Didn’t you get the memo?  ECORP is the new cool pirate Corp”, or something like that.  That’s the first time I remember “pirate” being mentioned.

2nd Edit - or at least mentioned and sticking.

Yeah.. the problem is finding a good ballance between attack and defense. If its too easy to defend, people blob up. If its too easy to attack, its not worth living on beta.