Hey Tamas,
Achieves have a tendency to make games, well, feel like a game.
Some people take the game too seriously as it is and truth be told achievements would annoy me. Not because I don't want them but because when it comes to Perpetuum I don't want to see that I have 60% of the achievements and have to get the rest of them. Achieves annoy me more than they entice me but I still do them.

It's a very nice idea but wouldn't greatly help unless they rewarded you somehow. The idea of achievements is they're to be shown off somewhere. They're bragging rights. They're "Add gold stars to your character sheet" type items. This could be done however.

I have a love hate relationship with achievements. For the casual players perhaps it's a good idea..

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Also, when did you leave M2S?

how about any achievements that are not tied to everyday bussiness of the game ?

I mean what you listed is not an achievement. Do you reward youself everyday for drinking the Nth liter of water ? Even if you have to for survival ?

all in all,  not a bad idea, but:

1. Some achievements that present challenge and not just grind
2. Corporation level achievements

An additional part of the discussion was making the achievements purely optional, meaning there's no reward that directly influences your ingame power.

The list of 'common' acheivements Tamas had are there simply to give an 'Atta boy' to players for doing something they would acutally be doing anyway. I wan't trying to reach that 5000 fish mark in WoW, but it was a nice little omg I fish too much reminder when it popped up.

I can see the arguement that it breaks the immersion in Perp. But carebear players typically have a mild case of OCD, this is most evident when you see miners 'cleaning' up blocks around the edges of a field

I would suspect that's Alex's issue with them too, and it fairly common among gamers in general. The driving desire to 'complete' objectives. Many of those same players however find it difficult to set those objectives themselves.

I can guarntee that server particiaption would increase with the addition of achieves, but it's a developmental issue to determine if this method of increasing population is acceptable.

When I played WoW and achivements were released, I was a bit upset. Most people I talked to loved them, and I couldn't understand. To me it was just a way for them to add replayability to the game, without having to actually add content.

It's been years since that was an issue for me in that other game, and many modern games do have them. I DO think it would be a good idea for Perpetuum, as adding replayability with or without content for casuals and carebears is a good thing as they're the meat and potatos of any game.

I was very active in raiding for Wow and wasn't all that into the achievements. However on those few off nights I would look at the list and get some inspiration for something to do. I was also being called on to help other guildies finish achieves for vanity pets that they were interested in which I was usually happy to do.

The point of that, I think both types of acheive's would add value. Directed goals with rewards and everyday 'atta boy' badges. Players love mounts and vanity pets. To translate, I really like the look of my Riv MK II in addition to all bonuses. Adding in a different 'rare' model (skin only) of existing bots wouldn't effect balance but would be highly motivating to many players; this would work in conjunction with the new paint shop as a rare token, or 'unlocks' the ability to buy the rare paint job.

meh...just work on something else actually more content related.

Just Sayin
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I like achievements!

It gives you something to do when there is nothing else to do.

In addition,  there should be titles, and badges  for skill related achievements, exploration, distance traveled, market activity.

I love things like these, they give you a sense of progression and purpose, inbetween wars..  and they should be a fairly simple thing to implement.  Well, more simpler and less time consuming than putting in full blown PvE content.

As for rewards... well, I dont really care about the reward.  Just having the achievement and being able to display that achievement is reward enough.

A good achievement system is in GuildWars ... the achievments are actualy optional in themselves. Like master cartographer ... you had to visit every corner of the place ... or master drunktard :-) had to be constantly drunk for a set amount of time.

I would couple the achievement system with artifact scanning for PvE players and production/research for industrialists. We could even do an achiement system for PvP (other than killboard). F.e holding all outposts for a set time :-)

maybe what we are looking for is a Guinness Book of Records type system.

They should have more to do with actual achievement then, and less to do with things that will inevitably happen if you just play long enough. Instead of just "mined a bajillion U of titan," make it "mined X amount in 1 hour". Indies could get ones for minimizing production line downtime. Traders could get them for obscene ROIs. Not "killed 1000 NPCs", but "killed a mech while taking no damage". Varying degrees of difficulty, of course.

Best that they aren't simply a matter of maxing extensions, but actually reward player skill.

+1 to this....

However, if you are going to introduce them I suggest no special rewards and a major HELL NO to permanent buffs.

Achievements are a reward unto themselves and also bragging rights if made publicly viewable. Don't tie rare items or anything of value to them. It will end up being one more thing to grind.

I'm drinking coffee now.... delicious.

Regardless how it's implemented, some subset of players will bash them, because there's no pleasing everyone.

In general though, if the rewards (from no game impact to 'some' impact) are balanced with the effort to acheivement, the system will be generally excepted.