Re: This game became full of cheap stuff

Hunter wrote:

You just pushed to devs, they change balance and thats all.

You got proof that I personally talked to a DEV/GM? Cause it not your slandering my credibility and this, I don't understand. If you don't have proof that I did this don't make such comments. I think that this thread has reached its end you offer no proof to what you say except that a outnumbered heavy mech was killed when he was caught solo.

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i don't want to be bad but hunter more you speak more you dig up your own hole

let's assume the damage log you posted and the total damage this gropho take  to be killed.

now come back and tell me how he would have be able to  win. he didn't even use any repair , maybe he didn't had one fitted.  he probbaly weared a lwf so he was weak to Demob. and  finaly since he's a HW he's very weak to people dedicaced to ECM.

Like other people said this fight was not even a figth this gropho was dead as soon as he was catch.  Mostly because he was alone whitout any back up and probably to because a LOL fit.


Now about your ERP nerf  or should i say Armor tanked nerf since the biggest nerf is not the ERP but the ARMOR TUNNING that ruined your ERP meck fit where the medium repair cycle time was inferior to whatever weapon cycle in this game.  now  1v1 Tanked mech will be able to kill and end a 1v1 match . before this nerf that wasn't possible  a 1v1 tanked mech was a no end match.

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Whys wrote:

... a 1v1 tanked mech was a no end match.


They had: Mechs with engeneering equipment. tested.

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your mech with engeneering won't had kill anything in a 1v1 againt tanked mech. trust me

in the better case you would had him neut to nothing and you would had deal less damage than is ERP would gave him ernergy to run 1 armor cycle time then neut him again and repeat this.

and during this time he would have just run to any outpost or teleport to go out or use some injector to repair and *** all your work to get him low hp whitout able to repair. all this in a 1v1 situation (somethink that will never happend a lot ofc) or he would have use like you some drainer to drain you and rune his rep .

before the nerf they was in a 1v1 situation with a little brain not even 1 bot able to kill a good tanked ERP mech.

now you can .

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I will say again, we tested erp and counter-erp robots and we have enough results to be sure that pre-nerfed erp tank had a non-erp couter-mech. Well, if you cant trust to my words, i can nothing to do with it. Go on

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Khader Khan wrote:
Hunter wrote:

You just pushed to devs, they change balance and thats all.

You got proof that I personally talked to a DEV/GM? Cause it not your slandering my credibility and this, I don't understand. If you don't have proof that I did this don't make such comments. I think that this thread has reached its end you offer no proof to what you say except that a outnumbered heavy mech was killed when he was caught solo.

You have already confirmed this fact. What for to prove the confirmed facts?

Everyone should understand that any balancing generates only new a disbalance.

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Re: This game became full of cheap stuff

Solution:

1. Remove ERP from the game
2. Close this thread
3. Ban Hunter on forums (optional)

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Re: This game became full of cheap stuff

Line wrote:

Solution:

1. Remove ERP from the game
2. Close this thread
3. Ban Hunter on forums (optional)

Agree. Lets push the button.

Everyone should understand that any balancing generates only new a disbalance.

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Yea Yea lets all keep bickering and going at it over non-sense.

How about we get a understand of what we all are trying to achieve. Arguing over everything that is being tested to move towards a better game in the end is pointless. Test it get your results and post a logical well backed opinion.

For those of you going after hunter or any other player who is speaking English as a 2nd or 3rd language and is trying very hard to get there point across to help add value to this community and see this game grow and not crash should be given a break and a second read to make sure you understand them the best you can.

Hunter is referring to multiple balance changes across difference previous patch's that have affected there play style heavily.

Now riddle me this. If our alliance moves to alpha what happens then? No one could handle our roams to expand to beta and no one would have anyone to roam on beta. What then

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Re: This game became full of cheap stuff

Alexadar wrote:

I will say again, we tested erp and counter-erp robots and we have enough results to be sure that pre-nerfed erp tank had a non-erp couter-mech. Well, if you cant trust to my words, i can nothing to do with it. Go on

i agree about that but if you had a 1v1 against an ERP mech versus an ERP mech  you wasn't able to kill anythink before this nerf.
now you can.

i never speaked about a 1v1 where you got an ERP tank on 1 side and he's perfect counter bot  against him that will never happened in roaming . but maybe that what you understand.

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Why, but that is the trick to raoming. You can only bring X in a attempt to account for encountering Y. If you dont bring the counter you cant always expect to win.

Correct me if im wrong. YOU HAD TO TRY TO DIE TO A ERP TANK

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Khader Khan wrote:
Hunter wrote:

You can watch other videos on the channel of our operator. There it is visible that was possible kill all on with t1 assault robots. We wanted to ask to strengthen mechs/heavy mechs, but...

Your video of Lemon was taken during the Assault Buff... He couldn't see you. How is that ballanced.

Doesn't matter at all. It's not that he could have escaped in his heavy ERP tanked Artemis with a max speed of over -9000.

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Glad that you agreed with me in that point.
Want to show you other vision of the problem:

Whys wrote:

i agree about that but if you had a 1v1 against an ERP mech versus an ERP mech  you wasn't able to kill anythink before this nerf.


Tanking is a deep specialization. Rock-paper-scissors sometimes not working in this game, like in situation with shielded heavies: shielded mechs will kill eachother depends of reactions and lot of factors what is far from resists, what is a core factor to ballance pure DPS squads. Tacklers will survive not depends of their resists. That's why, like shield tanking, armor tanking should be something far from basic resist ballance principle. The main purpose of deeply specialised robots is to serve to the certain role in the pvp. Thats why "tanking" is a role what behind bot color now. If not: then make resists on shields, and make different robot factions for demob or sort of like this.

Again, i dont want to show that someone smarter here someone not. I want to show you that tank specialisation has its pluses and its minuses, like should have any interesting deep specialisation. Maybe it was a bit OP maybe not a bit, but it was not deserved to such powerfull nerf imo.

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Hunter O.o, you said seroius about Gropho kill? What do you think any gropho can fight or should fight against 15 light gang.?

Other, this gropho maybe was light fitted, so had no chance against the team. If he was tank fitted should be fight a LITTLE bit more not too much but maybe could 1-2 kill acceptable, and i think that is good, and yes before nerf he couldnt survive but had more chance kill 4-5 from ours.

Hunter you want a little bit understand what we say or no? If no I wont try argue with you.

I try to understand you, but i think now you are wrong.

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well they were several solution to kill an ERP tank prenerf. all this solution needed TIME or people

Do more damage than he can repair with his cycle time. add people for that if needed
or drain his accu to nothing.
or just use suicide bot.

this solution his in my eyes the better against expensive fit on expensive bot. just because you can kill whatever you want just with plated sequer t1 and the good support behind ECM and Demob.

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Inda wrote:

Hunter O.o, you said seroius about Gropho kill? What do you think any gropho can fight or should fight against 15 light gang.?

Other, this gropho maybe was light fitted, so had no chance against the team. If he was tank fitted should be fight a LITTLE bit more not too much but maybe could 1-2 kill acceptable, and i think that is good, and yes before nerf he couldnt survive but had more chance kill 4-5 from ours.

Hunter you want a little bit understand what we say or no? If no I wont try argue with you.

I try to understand you, but i think now you are wrong.

You so consider because it conveniently for you and your t1 newbie gang sqaud.

Everyone should understand that any balancing generates only new a disbalance.

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Re: This game became full of cheap stuff

Hunter wrote:
Line wrote:

Solution:

1. Remove ERP from the game
2. Close this thread
3. Ban Hunter on forums (optional)

Agree. Lets push the button.

I see were being reasonable

Hunter, I don't even understand why you've put a personal twist on this. I've not talked to a DEV or GM since I made an Alt account like 3 weeks before the EVE exodus(was protocal for them to "chat" the newbs back then). I don't even get in IRC. I just started testing ERP tanks on my Artimis and Seth about 2 weeks before this nerf. But I stand by my point that any thing getting 10 v 1 soloed should go down reguardless of tank or fit.

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Inda wrote:

Hunter O.o, you said seroius about Gropho kill? What do you think any gropho can fight or should fight against 15 light gang.?

Other, this gropho maybe was light fitted, so had no chance against the team. If he was tank fitted should be fight a LITTLE bit more not too much but maybe could 1-2 kill acceptable, and i think that is good, and yes before nerf he couldnt survive but had more chance kill 4-5 from ours.

Hunter you want a little bit understand what we say or no? If no I wont try argue with you.

I try to understand you, but i think now you are wrong.

Again This has to do with the pilot... If for example your same grouped charged my Gropho i can guarante i would have killed off your known ECM pilots (from experience) before they get within range. T1 ECM=390m Range.... Kill a light e-war at 550m in 4.1 seconds no ECm at that point... Begin Dropping your Assaults before they hit demob range... If im running away i could probably kill 4/6 before you hit Demob range but after your ECM dies you would most likely disengage thus i survive.

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What was the Gropho fit, pls ask and will we find other fit and we try it and will see what happens.

Thx Lemon, i agree with you.

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Lemon wrote:
Inda wrote:

Hunter O.o, you said seroius about Gropho kill? What do you think any gropho can fight or should fight against 15 light gang.?

Other, this gropho maybe was light fitted, so had no chance against the team. If he was tank fitted should be fight a LITTLE bit more not too much but maybe could 1-2 kill acceptable, and i think that is good, and yes before nerf he couldnt survive but had more chance kill 4-5 from ours.

Hunter you want a little bit understand what we say or no? If no I wont try argue with you.

I try to understand you, but i think now you are wrong.

Again This has to do with the pilot... If for example your same grouped charged my Gropho i can guarante i would have killed off your known ECM pilots (from experience) before they get within range. T1 ECM=390m Range.... Kill a light e-war at 550m in 4.1 seconds no ECm at that point... Begin Dropping your Assaults before they hit demob range... If im running away i could probably kill 4/6 before you hit Demob range but after your ECM dies you would most likely disengage thus i survive.


we didn't know all the aspect of the fight. this gropho  die for sure but does he was suppressed does the landscape was pretty bad for him and good to provide a lot of cover for the attackers ?? maybee since his first hit where blocked in his damage log.

ECm + suppressor on a HM and you are dead suppressor land at 100% with a little skill on that  and a good ECM pilote can then turn off the gropho  lock. if the land help the L ewar to be in range for that  whatever pilote good or bad  you are , you are dead.

71 (edited by Line 2011-08-29 14:42:43)

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That's it, Lemon. Skilled pilot can do more ofc, but also there is nothing strange in that non-skilled pilot dieing 1hm vs 6 assaults.

This Gropho example seems very bad. It doesn't prooves that hmechs are not balanced or something.

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Whys wrote:

we didn't know all the aspect of the fight. this gropho  die for sure but does he was suppressed does the landscape was pretty bad for him and good to provide a lot of cover for the attackers ?? maybee since his first hit where blocked in his damage log.

ECm + suppressor on a HM and you are dead suppressor land at 100% with a little skill on that  and a good ECM pilote can then turn off the gropho  lock. if the land help the L ewar to be in range for that  whatever pilote good or bad  you are , you are dead.

Folks, Its amazing we have someone in Wambulance who understand tactics/techniques/Countering. PUT AWAY your DPS fits and build real gangs under this guys...

BRING ME THE FIGHTS i used to have fun in... a Challenge.. Real bots vs real bots.

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I have one or two question to the heavy mech-pilots out there..

1. Do you think light bots should be able to kill heavy mechs at all?
if so
2. How many are reasonable to complete this task?

I know I'm generalizing a bit here...but I'm curious to where you stand in balancing between the different sizes in bots.

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no, they should be immuned to lights & assaults, making them indestructible to new players who do not have access to the EP necessary to defeat them.

(you dumb)

75 (edited by Mara Kaid 2011-08-29 15:16:45)

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Lemon wrote:

Folks, Its amazing we have someone in Wambulance who understand tactics/techniques/Countering. PUT AWAY your DPS fits and build real gangs under this guys...

BRING ME THE FIGHTS i used to have fun in... a Challenge.. Real bots vs real bots.


I know you like to think we use dps fits when killing you and others and it makes you feel good, but really we have ewar helping us. lol. I don't really picture my opponents as dumb people smashing spacebar, I just picture them as stepping the wrong way sometimes and us pushing them over. smile