Re: Any kind of respec available by chance?

Respec is needed - its not even a question. Especially with such a neanderthal system of EP per ACCOUNT and not per character distribution. Why can you even have an option to create extra character on the same account - you won't have EP to spend... *roll eyes*. This game has nothing to do with EVE mechanics, yeah right.

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Some of us like the EVE mechanics smile

Honestly being able to have 1 miner 1 industrial and 1 PvP character all on the same account and all earning EP individually would crash the co-op nature of the game.

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Chief Ubenor wrote:

Respec is needed - its not even a question. Especially with such a neanderthal system of EP per ACCOUNT and not per character distribution. Why can you even have an option to create extra character on the same account - you won't have EP to spend... *roll eyes*. This game has nothing to do with EVE mechanics, yeah right.

There are several threads on this already, two started within the last week.

Actually it is a question, but see those threads.

Who the $#@% is stEvE?

Re: Any kind of respec available by chance?

Yeah, wasting 2 weeks of EP totally ruined your character. Enjoy your eternal suckyness.

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XrayIT wrote:

faction have only influance on your primary weapons extension (1 2 point only) , and that's all !

so you can join your friend where you want, join what corporation you want and enjoy the game without limitation.

/offtopic on
You doing something wrong.
Lasers are great.
LoS need some finetune tho' (can't wait the 'omg lasers are OP' topics after it gets fixed)

Magnetic weapons also have LoS problems.
So you want rockets instead? Give me a break'
/offtopic off

This game and respec is bad -  IMO

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I think 1 respec would be fine. It might boost sales. I would more than likely delete my industry alt and create a new account for him for example.
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it would only work in everyones favor to give new player a one time total respect after a set time. it be good for us players, it be good for the relation /frustrations thus good for the game/devs. and as stated could even increase sales as ppl get hooked and wana rolls specialist toons instead of alts.

there is no discussion why its needed, theres only a few stuborn people saying no for the sake of no and to keep the personal adv they might have (that grows over time) .

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Ketjup wrote:

it would only work in everyones favor to give new player a one time total respect after a set time. it be good for us players, it be good for the relation /frustrations thus good for the game/devs. and as stated could even increase sales as ppl get hooked and wana rolls specialist toons instead of alts.

there is no discussion why its needed, theres only a few stuborn people saying no for the sake of no and to keep the personal adv they might have (that grows over time) .

From a player to player perspective your advantage will only get smaller over time.  The more expensive extension levels for the same gain ensures this.

From a player to 'any noob just starting' you will obviously gain a wider margin over the starting point all the time.

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Neoxx wrote:
Ketjup wrote:

it would only work in everyones favor to give new player a one time total respect after a set time. it be good for us players, it be good for the relation /frustrations thus good for the game/devs. and as stated could even increase sales as ppl get hooked and wana rolls specialist toons instead of alts.

there is no discussion why its needed, theres only a few stuborn people saying no for the sake of no and to keep the personal adv they might have (that grows over time) .

From a player to player perspective your advantage will only get smaller over time.  The more expensive extension levels for the same gain ensures this.

From a player to 'any noob just starting' you will obviously gain a wider margin over the starting point all the time.


if you have two players both happen to go ..lets say lasers...one takes pure milliary spec and gets laser cost to [3]  the other takes a military/indy spec not knowing well what he is doing he gets laser [5+] this means over time the cost increases alot. over time the later player will play twice as many ep as the first player for the same skill.

now in my personal case, my atributes aint to bad, and i waisted a full week of EP on skills I probaly never will use again, means im running a week behind and over time (lets saya  year) I need to spent 125% the ep cost instead of "100%" if I spected corectly. again,someone whit "bad" atributes will pay 200% the ep cost.

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Ketjup wrote:

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if you have two players both happen to go ..lets say lasers...one takes pure milliary spec and gets laser cost to [3]  the other takes a military/indy spec not knowing well what he is doing he gets laser [5+] this means over time the cost increases alot. over time the later player will play twice as many ep as the first player for the same skill.

now in my personal case, my atributes aint to bad, and i waisted a full week of EP on skills I probaly never will use again, means im running a week behind and over time (lets saya  year) I need to spent 125% the ep cost instead of "100%" if I spected corectly. again,someone whit "bad" atributes will pay 200% the ep cost.

I honestly am not sure what you mean here, the difference between level 3 of a skill and 5 will be the same no matter when you raise the skill, so claiming that a person that takes 3 early on will spend 200% more EP later on is wrong.

Are you trying to say that over time your skill points do not go as far as early on in the game? if so, then yes you are right, the higher the skill goes, the more points you need, but it costs the same now to raise laser 3 to 4 as it did when the game opened, and it should be the same in two years (barring patches, tweaks, etc.).

You will always be spending the same points as everyone else, it does not scale on a percentage, although, you are right, you lose a week of time if the skills you picked for that week are wasted. You will always be a week behind, but you will not fall further behind unless you make further bad choices.

Over time this difference should actually effectively get less, that weeks points will have less and less impact on the difference between you and another player the same age.

Who the $#@% is stEvE?

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Zhyntil, he means if you pick the wrong attributes the cost is much higher for the skill, so it will take longer to earn the ep to get it to the same level as someone who didn't mess up their attributes.

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Crynth wrote:

Zhyntil, he means if you pick the wrong attributes the cost is much higher for the skill, so it will take longer to earn the ep to get it to the same level as someone who didn't mess up their attributes.

Ah, true, i misunderstood and thought he meant just EP, like the rest of the thread. I should not post when half asleep, tongue

Who the $#@% is stEvE?

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hi

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I had a thought: why not allow say 1 extension to be reset every month.

This way, you are still committed to your decisions, but over time you can slowly change your focus or fix any mistakes.

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I believe the best and easiest way to do a extension respec would be total account wipe... just to much extra crap to deal with any other way. Just resetting extensions causes issues with things such as how any current active robot is equipped, what it can or cant equip after respecing., how many factoy lines you can use after repspec vs what CTs you may have set already, market orders active... i would guess it would be alot of extra crap to code as apposed to say, rollback account to time of accpunt creation.

I mean really what happens if your running around in a Baphomet then respec to miner and just thelodica bot at 1... i doubt there is anything in place already for such a issue. Reset my account to creation with all current gained EP and ill be happy, as long as my names are saved big_smile

41 (edited by franko 2010-12-05 11:42:51)

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Domono wrote:

I believe the best and easiest way to do a extension respec would be total account wipe... just to much extra crap to deal with any other way. Just resetting extensions causes issues with things such as how any current active robot is equipped, what it can or cant equip after respecing., how many factoy lines you can use after repspec vs what CTs you may have set already, market orders active... i would guess it would be alot of extra crap to code as apposed to say, rollback account to time of accpunt creation.

I mean really what happens if your running around in a Baphomet then respec to miner and just thelodica bot at 1... i doubt there is anything in place already for such a issue. Reset my account to creation with all current gained EP and ill be happy, as long as my names are saved big_smile

You can make few conditions to start respecing, bot its not a problem - already you can put items that are making bot unusable if you dont have enough lvl is some expsansions.
Conditions - terminal, no selling or buying, active ankh or option to deactivate bot, no corp member.
Reset once per account in first month of playing.
It will help noobs, and should not have impact on game.

42 (edited by Tiller 2010-12-05 10:56:53)

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FFS! this is not world of warcraft, pay 10 gold and then respec.
This is the beauty of the game! people cant be good at everything.
You need to spend your points carefull.
The day you can respec your EP then i will quit playing.

Now close this stupid thread and all of its kind.

43 (edited by franko 2010-12-05 11:42:23)

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Tiller wrote:

FFS! this is not world of warcraft, pay 10 gold and then respec.
This is the beauty of the game! people cant be good at everything.
You need to spend your points carefull.
The day you can respec your EP then i will quit playing.

Now close this stupid thread and all of its kind.

lol how respecing once per account make you good with everything ?
Sooner or later there will be respec like in EVE (when devs change something dramatically they making possible to respec or reset skill.)

PO is no noob friendly if devs want some money after first month /or more players, they must make it more accessible for new players, on par with Eve or better.

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Tiller wrote:

FFS! this is not world of warcraft, pay 10 gold and then respec.
This is the beauty of the game! people cant be good at everything.
You need to spend your points carefull.

Now close this stupid thread and all of its kind.

If there was halfway decent documentation on how the game works I might agree but given the somewhat arcane nature of the attributes/skill system this doesn't seem like such an unreasonable request.  As others have said, a one-time thing would be fine and would stop a lot of complaining.

Tiller wrote:

The day you can respec your EP then i will quit playing.

Somehow, I doubt that.

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Im very glad the DEVs are working on a way to do this, they say it often in chat and PM. While I didnt mess up my character, id still like a respec made available for those who have.

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Kraftwerk wrote:

Here is a perfect example of why a respec is needed and why this title will lose subscriptions.

I have specced into lasers heavily to find out they cant hit and LOS is broken so my toon is basically trashed. I am not going to destroy the account but i know that a lot of users would rather play something else then continue to subscribe.

This is an example why you shouldent be able to respec. People like this would like to respec everytime in the game when one weapon is better than the other.
Fix the LOS, add more damage and lower the acc, then all wanna respec to guns.
This is bullshit.
I heard an great idé of an teammate today when we talked about this, Make it possible to respec once a year, but! you will loose 30-40% of your EP. That i can live with.

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I wouldn't mind a system to allow you to unspec and get one point back for each 2 points you "sell back"

It should be a slow process though, 1 piont per minute seems like an OK rate, so when respeccing, your gain in free EP would be 2/minute and your EP loss would be 1 per minute.

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That actually sounds like a fair solution Doc Iridium. I really don't see any room for abuse.

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Ketjup wrote:
Neoxx wrote:
Ketjup wrote:

it would only work in everyones favor to give new player a one time total respect after a set time. it be good for us players, it be good for the relation /frustrations thus good for the game/devs. and as stated could even increase sales as ppl get hooked and wana rolls specialist toons instead of alts.

there is no discussion why its needed, theres only a few stuborn people saying no for the sake of no and to keep the personal adv they might have (that grows over time) .

From a player to player perspective your advantage will only get smaller over time.  The more expensive extension levels for the same gain ensures this.

From a player to 'any noob just starting' you will obviously gain a wider margin over the starting point all the time.


if you have two players both happen to go ..lets say lasers...one takes pure milliary spec and gets laser cost to [3]  the other takes a military/indy spec not knowing well what he is doing he gets laser [5+] this means over time the cost increases alot. over time the later player will play twice as many ep as the first player for the same skill.

now in my personal case, my atributes aint to bad, and i waisted a full week of EP on skills I probaly never will use again, means im running a week behind and over time (lets saya  year) I need to spent 125% the ep cost instead of "100%" if I spected corectly. again,someone whit "bad" atributes will pay 200% the ep cost.

Having played with character planner with different attributes specs, i can tell you your wrong about it costing double for a combat vs combat/indy guy. 

Here's the formula.  (Attribute+1/2 Secondary Attribute) * Extension Complexity = Amount of Discount. 

Its really not the end of the world.  The difference between MAX attributes and ZERO attributes is 44%.  Thats not even possible, you can't have Zero in an attribute.  The actual biggest difference between 2 characters is 33.5%.  If a full spec indy dude specs into combat, he will spend 33.5% more EP then a fully spec'ed combat guy. 

The average combat/indy spec will need 11% more EP then full combat if they lean towards combat.  And 13% more EP if they leaned towards Indy. 

So thats basicaly 13 months to get where the full spec combat dude gets in 12 months.  Not that bad really, especially if you consider the ability to get indy skills cheaper as well.

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Doc Iridium wrote:

I wouldn't mind a system to allow you to unspec and get one point back for each 2 points you "sell back"

It should be a slow process though, 1 piont per minute seems like an OK rate, so when respeccing, your gain in free EP would be 2/minute and your EP loss would be 1 per minute.


And no one will use this respec...