I suspect your talking about the change to neut and draining that allowed them to empty your acc to kill your sheild and take you down.

Um, 15 vs 1 though ... I don't know how your fit was, but that doesn't sound unbalanced; I mean its not like it was 3 light bots, right?

I asked myself the same. I tried to understand whats in place but i dont get it.

Its not like if you could go blue, green or yellow and play the game how you want.
Whatever you choose it forces you to use your bot(s) in a certain way.
Its not the number of plates that determines if youre faster or not its the bot itself.

This roam was one of ours numerous experiments with fit tbh. This one was dedicated to build stealth squad for cap-tanked bots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu_pj9Y6 … page#t=38s This experimental squad has neut power as 1 iktus (10+ small neuts). Can your erp tanked artemis fight 1 iktus? I think this situation showed us good game ballance: 1 well fitted artemis could be fight only with a 7+ assaults.

Guys, this is all great feed back but again the goal of this thread is to get the view of the debs so we may better understand where they are trying to take this game.

On the note of setting up good suggestions and changes that could be implanted I am sure we could get a group of veterans together to hammer out what we as a collective group think would best balance the game for BvB and AvB pvp. Before we can do that thou I think it is important to know were we are going first.

Now are starting to see a setting where newer players, and younger corporations can get in some kind of bot and be competitive in a raiding style/fighting without having to skill for a mech.

This change has added a variety to the gang mix that will allow more players to x up in alliances and pvp. With more people able to pvp, more will play the game and enjoy it on a level they may not have been able to before. More people playing without having to grind weeks/months for a competitive game brings in more people to have fun and try out pvp.

More targets on a similar playing level = more fun for all.

Clearly the assaults wont dominate the scene, old builds are still viable, lemon's tank is still doable, just not as powerful as it was before. Heck even the new skill should and will help, he still has the old build ( as if that wasn't good enough still ). All the gangs we had still exist.

Back on topic:

With this change it's my belief that pvp is heading in a direction that ALL members can enjoy. Newer and older. If the direction of the pvp is made so that only older people can fight, it's kind of not fun for newer players. Scaring off newer players, makes your game dry up. Why do only newer players go towards tacklers? Why can't they get in assaults and sneak/blow stuff up. Now they can. This change separates perpetuum from eve. We never saw guys getting in covert ops ships in day 4.. this is great!

Agy: your mechs are still a decent fighting force, and one person with more ep, can count for several people in assaults. Put a weapon stabilizer on and watch assaults one shot/two shot. I think you're not recalling how utilized a solid ep character can be in a better ship....

Well I'm a veteran, and any changes that help newer players as well old ones have fun in a pvp environment is one I'll stand behind. I think in this discussion we should involve younger players as well. I really think that there's a bad assumption here and that's only "veteran" players can see direction. Which is untrue, many of us have years of pvp experience by now.

As you said agy, let's carry forward. I don't think only veterans should be privy to this.

More players = more fun.

You need experienced players with a real interest in balance to do the job.
Players with years of experience in online gaming (im not talking about the other game or po for that matter) player who already know what is balanced and what not from what they have seen in other games.

Besides that: I didnt say anything about assaults but yet again i see a lot of propaganda.

My comment was generic and not aimed at assaults or mechs.
EP matters. Someone with 300% damage bonus, 30% more speed and 50% more locking range vs someone without is ridiculous.
If you want new players to be competitive from day one then you should start with the EP system and not with buffs for certain bots that bring a imbalance into the landscape of PO.

Edit: typos

Since it appears that a majority of you have taken some of the things i have said to the extreme, let's clear a few things up.

A. You have to know where you are going before you know how you are going to get there.
B. Tis thread has nothing to do with my bot. My bot was brought up simply as a example of how a group of players could not combat it and how another group destroyed it. Utilizing counter fits.
C. By veteran players i was aiming at players who have experienced all the levels of pvp within Po and are able to take them selves way from just looking at there own situation as a beta corp or a "pirate" and views the game as a whole.

I'm not going to comment on any of the changes as again my goal is to understand where we are going first. So I still await a official dev response.

agree - assault class should be split into "average speed, good tank, good dps" and "stealth, slow, average dps" and "fast, good burst damage, bad tank"

about the ECCM - to much counter for to short time for too much AP costs.

edit:
hope CIR is selling their masses of brand new assaults on player market then

Nice! I only want that nerfing assaults and introducing new stealth bot will be in the same patch.

We will,  and on the industrial bot section as well.

I am glad this game is deciding the way it wants to go finally. More robots with each robots having a specialised role will be nice. As long as the balance of DPS output vs ewar strength is maintained I'll be happy.

It'd be nice to have Ewar assaults that are very stealthy but not extremely fast to bridge the gap between light ewar and ewar mechs.

The ECCM changes were just weird. I am very glad they're getting reverted and maybe a more senible change will come in. I like the passive and active effect but the active effect was just a GTFO module rather than a reinforcement module. I like the idea of burning AP to stop sensor blocking effects as this will be very useful in blob vs blob fights but I don't like the get out of jail free aspect of it.