Looks like you are looking at the wrong role models (this IS your problem).  Here at m2s we regularly take out mixed groups of mechs on roams.

You're right here, so does the speed advantage need to be as good as it is, or can it be reduced further? I think it's overdone, and needs to be pulled back.

Cool. My apologies mongolia, I think about what I say sometimes and try to sound more objective rather then biased on different threads. I looked at what I wrote and had to edit it. I was a bit biased there in my response.

They do give people fast ways to get out, which make them good choices for roaming vs a tyrannos. A competent fc can minimize the loss of the tyrannos with good scouts, fleet posture etc like you mention. It is more challenging for the squad though.

I like green and red .

Yep when you are 10+ it happens many time ... But when you guys are just 3-4-5-6 , than the group of course looks like tackler and kains, nothing more. So please dont tell me that you guys always using mixed group, couse its true just when you have big numbers.

Btw yesterday evening was as fun race ... M2S kains runned away (ofcoz with speed nexus boost) and just light ews can catch them ... neither light or assault bots, neither ew mechs have speed to reach them (with vel nexus too) ... thats the funny ... or not ?

God imagine that, T1 Light Bots can't catch up to T4 Mechs... Horrible thought. It's almost like someone spent a lot of effort, resources and hours to create that equipment... It is really unbalanced that bots costing ~400k off the market fully fitted can't catch up to them.

And imagine that it's coordinated groups countering them, gosh! Who would have thought that people aren't complaining about loosing to them, when they are killing them.. maybe they just see a small flaw.

Stop with the "you're loosing to us so that's why you're posting", when it's not true. We've countered the groups,several times, so you're kind of drawing up a scarecrow there.

Oh malakain, yesterday m2s gang, 4 kains 2 cameleons etc, no other support. Got you there. lol. Note that wasn't the only gang of m2s I saw, I saw other varied smaller groups over the day as well But that was e=mk^2 inside of m2s.

Also this thread isn't about everyone using kains to roam in, it's about kains speed.

First of all, I'm really impressed by the name pun; malakain instead Malakian, so damn brilliant, so on the spot. I never stated that M2S never fielded a 100% Kain plus tackle squad, I said it's not common, if you want to discuss the usual squad set ups with a pretty active M2S member, is up to you. E=mk^2 is no longer , and some of their members are actually M2S members, so maybe it's my problem, Im not used to seeing differences inside coalitions, alliances or corps.

I don't think the problem around speed fit kains is about the design of the mech itself, it's more about metagame, no need for speed nerfs ¿nexus velocity revamp? Looks like a good way (making the bonus no linear and mass/weight related, maybe) ¿Kain nerf? Imho is a nono.

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I have to disagree with you Mara..

My T1 fit kain with a T4 frame goes 79kph... So assume I could get that to low 80's with T2 gear.  I agree this is a big advantage when considered by itself, but isolating a single advantage to the exclusion of all other counter-advantages and disadvantages is nonsense.

When we go out in a mixed group I put a range extender on... after that I need TWO sensor amps to boost my locking range to match and even then I'm only effective out to around 425m (375 optimal + .5 * 100 falloff).  I know I could optimize my skills better and run tech gear to compensate but from a practical standpoint 425-450m is max range, so I'm still standing in front of everyone else.

Alternatively I could go with less range but that would put me way in front of the rest of the pack, a prime target, and dangerously close to demob range.

While standing at the front of the pack, I still need to maintain LOS unlike the greens and I have no bonus to resists like the yellows. The defensive bonus to active armour tanking is in NO way viable (we'll see what the new armour plates bring).  Finally, the blue's DPS advantage is slight when compared to lasers at any kind of range. We are as Syndic says glass cannons.

Without a speed advantage, allowing you to dash in and then retreat, the Kain is SERIOUSLY gimped. That is the day to day reality of a kain pilot.

Your argument against speed really only holds water in the very specific and isolated scenario that you allude to.  A pack of speed fit, DPS kains on a cavalry charge...

It is a very specialized blitz offensive tactic, that is extremely effective against an unsuspecting target but that may be easily countered in several ways...

Without going into too much detail,
- Plate up and demob
- Use your range and terrain
- Don't engage when unprepared
- Focus fire (they're very squishy)

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Edit: Since the assaults are getting some love, it's a good time to remember that after you figure in the extra turret slot 5v4, the dispersion modifier to DPS and the horrible range of EM... assault bots hit about as hard as kains at any kind of range... So, what advantage is the more expensive, more EP intensive kain left with when you take the speed advantage away?

fast kain got huge nerf to close combat because arseplosions.

Being flimsy thing going in close don't really suit well when you might get 5k explosion damage in your face...

Short range pewpew kains are purely roaming and less defense robots. I like this.

With all the other balances it's now worth fitting the right robot with the right gear and is hugely important.

If you're getting a lot of light robot fights it's now extremely easy for one mech to kill 5 or so but it will require anti-ewar. I care not the speed of lights and ewars anymore. 5 vs 1 should always, no matter what, end in one solution.

However all too often I've seen 5 light robots meet a mech and 3 lights bugger of, 1 dies and the others GTFO's after his friend dies. There is no team work, no support. If you can't figure out the solution to a problem then you're not flexible enough for ANY MMO.

The is still powerful but its role may have changed. It's sometimes going to be good at what it is known for but not always.

IMHO the impact of a LWF on speed is far to much. compared to a bot without it, you have about twice the speed, no matter what you equip.

dunno why, bue there seems to be a bit imbalance between the damage that those glass cannons can deal, and the damage their counterpart can apply to them (Artemis)
Yesterday i had a little comparison - my Artemis and masters Kain vs. npc Mesmer.
with similar extension and equip - one of masters standard med. EM guns dealt the same damage as a full volley of my  four standard medium short range lasers.

nah, as a counter, laser bots would get a good sensor detection.