Hi,

did you know that currently, when hitdispersion is lower then the surface size - the dmg even is increased?

The thing is - currently this may seem unreasonable - but when the new targetingsystem with hitboxes is implemented - this extra dmg will prevent making the hitbox targeting OP and rather useful for special tactics.

Thats the problem with partially implemented ideas.

But apart from that - your change would make each class viable the most against its own class or bots similar to them, which could be a nice approach.

Unfortunately dmg isnt the key in pvp - but possible application and negation of dmg. Thats why speed and terrain usage is the thing that makes lighter bots much more versatile against anything and also gives them the ability to choose their fights.

Exactly what my issue is, the benefits of mechs over lights are Range, DPS, HP and Accu.  DPS is countered by hit dispersion, and lights have a speed advantage that gives them the ability to kite using terrain countering the range advantage and again reducing the DPS difference.  HP and Accu while 1v1 are not a match it only takes a couple of lights to balance this and the lights also get the benefit of specalising each fit.

Nice yes this would change things a lot, and things would need re-evaluating if somthing like this was implemented.

I am all against all or nothing this turns mechs+ into IWin buttons vs caertian oppopents not good for a sand box, no all that is needed is a way to increase the mechs survivability against swarms of smaller bots with out making it invincible.

This is exactly what I was trying to avoide this just causes HP creep then mech vs mech balance changes mech vs pve etc.  Balancing needs to be done as much focusing on issues with out causing fallout and further rebalancing due to the changes made.

Realy as I can see all that is needed is a way to increase the lightbot zerg numbers that are needed to take down a mech easily (focus on the easily).  Right now a small gang of light bots can completly neutralise a solo mech very simply with reletively low numbers.  My thoughts are that a zerg should need to bring a lot more value in bots + fittings to counter larger opponents, the individual cost being a lot less but individual losses being a fraction of the mechs. 

In an attack by smaller bots that will overwhelm the larger surley the loss inflicted by both sides excluding exectuion, mistakes and skill should be equal.  Ie on balance all things being equal the mech should be able to destroy as much in value as itsself.  The xergs strength is that they in total bring more value to the field.  This of course excludes tactics, fits and stupidity / mistakes.

Actually, just this afternoon I put a Med lazer on my Baph assulat bot. I had to spend about 10k EP in reactor and get a coreactor module, but the only thing I had to remove was the plate to clear up a leg slot and remove 1 small lazer. This was with standard med lazer and coreactor. If I had access to t3 small and med lazers I would probably be able to get (2) med and (3) small lazers fitted.

During field testing the Med laser was still missing +30% against other assualt bots because precision is still only 6, but once I get that toto 10 that should be negliable.

But on topic, light bots dont even have med slots, so yeah.

The robopedia doesn't give slot specifics, so I apologize if the Prometheous and Intakt does indeed have Med weapon slots... however they both only have 175/170 RP and even with EP skills I don't think a 200 RP Med lazer is going to fit, and certainly never 2.

Your sure they aren't Med industy slots?

theoretically - yes. practically....well good luck with that.

So the Balancing point needs to be closley investigated possibly right now swung in the wrong direction purposfully through mechanics, at what point should a mech be succeptable to smaller weapons, should they be able to out rep 5 small guns 10? any.  But that is another discussion realy my aim here was to identify a possible method of balancing lights vs mechs.

As you note there is another balance point that is available increasing the damage that med guns / mechs do vs. light bots.  However altering this would have wider ranging balance effects particularly in pve.

There is another option I have thought of following your point re damage output balancing. That is to alter the weapon mechanics so that light guns on a mech have a bonus to dmage vs light frames?  again though very likely that to cause unbalance else where.

hat I would like to see is mechs thoughend up some what vs lights / assualts, as well as a new mech frame introduced.  This would be an escort bot, geared up especially to deal with lights / assualts and under powered vs mechs.  The suggested hit dispersion changes would also support this if the design used a number of small wepaon fittings.

Does this combat favour mechs/heavies? it does remove some of their disadvantages and play to some of their strengths, prepared positions and early awareness of the attacks direction.  However it still does not reduce the fact that on the whole the ammount of nic and EP investment is not balanced, yes they may help increase the combat effectivness of each individual player but this is only an issue where they turn out is a limiting factor and resources are not.  More players in general will = more resources and if the cost per loss is also added into the mix this seems to favor zerg light bots in every economical way.

New patch notes state armor on mech/heavy are getting raised, hopefully that extra minute or so of armor will be the boost we've been waiting for... servers are down, fingers are crossed.

multiply that with resists and that is a HUGE boost.

Since EW still dictate and do instead of dictate or do - the change will have no noticable effect.

200 Hitpoints * extension 1 bonus * extension 2 bonus * resists = allot more hitpoints per mech.

problem with it: no change of the self repair. more hitpoints means just a longer buffer. unlike shields a bigger buffer doesnt mean your are more effective tank.