since frame is %based while
plates are absolute values
and because both should not be changed for different reasons...

not allowing plates and frames simultaniously seams the most logic way to go for me. either or. or non of both.

i also agree that racial bots shoud be more specialized.
but i dont want to go back to the old ways. there should be a reasonable possibility to fit missile launches on the slots that are there. on the arbalest, baphomet, kain, artemis. just if you want and have both weapon skill sets. besides they are not misc slots like on the tyrannos where they can be used for other good stuff...

backed by numbers:
please increase missile damage by 12.5%, or lower the cycletime of all launcher by 11%

this will bring small missile launcher closer to the other small weapons, while retaining lowest DPS at T4

medium laser currently have ~40% more DPS then Medium Missiles, so 12.5% wouldn't retain the gap, but would mean that a 1:1 fight between a seth and gropho the green bot would actually have its racial advantage.

with your own words from the ictus topic:
because riveler and symbiont are superiour and cheap to use.

Can you tell, what the problem in denying to equip armor plates and light weight frames at same time (and nothing more)?
I think there will be less chances to make another mistakes and disbalance.

Idea:

Remove the termis bonus to armor repair.

Take the termis right click -> copy -> rename -[insert Hungarian name]

[Hungarian Name]

REMOVE mining bonuses and all things to do with mining.

ADD

Armor repair bonus AND remote armor repair + optimal range bonus to repair modules
Small resist bonus and sensor strength bonus.

High slots: Sensor amp, 2 rep tuners, eccm
Mids: 4 remote armor repair
Lows: Lwf, plate, med armor rep, universal plate OR recharger.

Increase its cap stability to run 2 remote repairs without capping out.

-  We need an energy transfer tuner.

Then do a gargoyle viarant but with energy transfers.

Lows: LWF, Medium Shield, 2 rechargers

Then you'll see dedicated logi in fleets and add content.

Broken ideas to fix working mechanics before a broken patch

To come back to the waspish with numbers.

if Zoom's default Arbalest is (everything T4, compositte core slugs)
1x SA + 2x em-tuner; 5x light EM gun, 1x small Repair + 1x Thermal + 1x Uni + 1x LWF
124 kph, ~2500 eHP, 211 optimal range with 515 Burst Damage and 154 DPS

then the "default" Waspish fit looks like this
1x SA + 3x missile tuner; 5x light Missile launcher; 1x small shield + 1x small accu + 1x LWF
119 kph, ~2160 eSP + ~1600 eHP, 270 optimal range with 462 Burst Damage and 134 DPS

just looking at those numbers, its a rather even fight, due to waspish's shield tank and its range advantage, but the Arbalest can easily regenerate 17 eHP/s while closing in, and the waspish has to time its shields to benefit from its ~17 eSP/s.
But now the gamebreaker - the small em guns got 96m falloff, which means at 270m they still got ~60% of their DPS,
EM-Guns can significantly increase their DPS with Magnedart ammo (25% extra) sacrificing a mere 40m optimal range,
Missiles can increase their DPS with smite ammo by less then 12.5%

and now if you say, Arbalest is supposed to win this fight... a bapho would win the fight with the same fit too.
and after all, its all for naught, because those are not PvP fits at all...

If only the waspish' only advantage would be usable around tree's  - aka the ballistic curve beeing MUCH steeper, and missiles base-damage 12.5 % higher

Ewar OP!

You make no sense.  Would you really expect a raft to slow a Cruise ship?  I don't.  Maybe be unlike EvE and their imba warp scramblers.  If you want to demob a heavy Mech you need the appropriate sized demob.  No light should be able to demob a Mech.  Period. 

So, you would need a Mech equipped with a Mech sized demob in order to demob a Mech and smaller ... it would be about size.  Lights tackling a Mech is just stupid and logically foolish.

-Ensi

You mean, we need a poll?

No, he needs a pool

Basically, he means that all the problems should be summarized somewhere, not just spreaded all over the thread.