Ville wrote:Jita wrote:Naismith wrote:As I already told DEV Zoom, unlocking Beta 1's turns POE's home-island from Fortress Domhalarn into a freeported zone, and provides convenient untouchable staging grounds for anyone looking to launch assaults on our Gamma bases on Kraslovsk.
Furthermore, it forces POE to haul out our massive stockpiles out of Domhalarn, as we've been actively living there and doing industry on Beta there for a very long time, and we like our station income from our industry.
While POE is not the largest alliance in the game and is only comprised of 3 corporations, we still represent a large percentage of the actual active playerbase and as such it would be nice if DEV Zoom at least moved our assets and our Gamma island for us, since this change would effectively be taking away our home - something no entity or alliance in the history of this game ever accomplished.
Moving the assets from Dom to a different beta seems pretty reasonable. Moving the gamma is a little over the top.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that Joke will not be attacking CIR, CHAOS and NSE gamma bases (maybe some of the single terminals but not the big ones) if that helps.
Now your under my skin.
So two players: Jita and Burial who don't live on beta, doesn't participate in gamma and performs no industry on beta all of a sudden get this glorious idea to shake up the status quo by ELIMINATING industry on beta?? And "moving all your assets seems pretty reasonable". seriously? It's perfectly reasonable huh? It's perfectly reasonable that two players can completely ruin the player experience of the 50+ dudes actively using beta.
I have a prediction: if you unlock betas ALL THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN is veteran players will sit under stations with shield tanked tyrannos with detectors preventing players from logistically use the outpost while having logged off altos or masked units waiting nearby.
Well its perfectly possible using current mechanics to be a pain on purpose to stop people enjoying Beta's that are open.
This is something that we talked about last night as it could be an issue. It would have been nice to have you there - i stayed up till midnight to try too - so we don't have to have these politically motivated person and not idea based back and forths but i guess work got in the way. We did try to get people from your 'side' to join with Obi, Race Drones and Sunny representing.
What we spoke about was that just because you can doesn't mean you should or will. Joke will not be using unkillable detector alts under stations because we think its a terrible mechanic that needs work. We however recognize that there's limited dev time and in order of importance we think you should go - having the space to play, having the incentive to play, managing the disincentives to play.
This change creates the space. The roundtable set out some discussions about what those incentives should be (and Zooms post about how some of it is already tabled is encouraging). Once those are either in place or on their way we did plan in a month or two to have a talk again about what the problems are and the best solution for them. Stuff like detector alts. People seeing who is in station. Possible kick from station mechanics. There is a lot that would help.
We've always been clear in saying this change on its own will NOT fix beta. Its a step in the right direction. We are going to put our money where our mouth is and live the idea we have been selling by moving out to a beta 1 station as a corp, giving up the alliance life, doing ALL of our industry there (and not relying on stocks) and even giving up heavy dropping in favor of lower level pvp that is more achievable for everyone. The rewards for doing that arn't amazing right now but if the devs have taken steps to fix things, how can we not take steps to help. We hope that other corps will embrace this too but that's their choice. This is a sandbox game and is as much about the choices people make as it is the mechanics.
One thing everyone who came from all sides agreed is that theres thirty *** people playing this game Ville. This whole back and forth and speaking as corps is absurd, we are all just people trying to play a game that want it to succeed. I'd burn everything i ever did in game for a chance of 150 people on beta again. Please try and drop the political posturing and lets work together to find common ground around the things that we CAN do in a short period of time to help, alongside ofc the devs own goals, in moving this game forward.
I would also like to invite everyone in advance for the next rountable we will be holding at the end of August. Perhaps someone from PHM or CIR could host this time?
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