Celebro wrote:

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I remember back around 2011 with a huge mining nerf players started leaving in droves.

They said the amount of PVE grind necessary to do PVP was absurd.

Everything is working fine, but then people start to become bored and leave- story of Perpetuum apparently.

Jita, you sound like a politician of the opposing force of the ruling force.
Because its not your idea, you are against it, and instead of constructively working together with the current course, you are trying to block it and revert it all the time, even if it throws your country back into the stone age. As long you're in the opposition, you have to oppose anything the ruling force does.

(i hope you are better in understanding metaphors then that other kid)

Annihilator wrote:

thanks jita, at least you understand.
Agreed on Gamma
Agreed - PVP in this game is only driven by epeen ->
its even missing the most important factor a game needs: FUN for everyone participating.

Haven't seen a single suggestion yet that would lead new and old player to PvP-enabled zone because ist more "entertaining". All you are always talking about is risk vs. reward, with the reward beeing only, and really only virtual goods that you fear to lose.

And thats half the issue, the biggest PvPers don't have to produce anything and so the scales get tipped. You get PvP for PvP's sake. Originally beta worked because the risk vs reward was right AND you needed to produce to keep up with the amount of PvP AND power projection meant that it took considerable time to move from one place to another and scout. This meant you spent 60% of time on your own island doing stuff, 20% on your own island defending it and 20% on others island stopping them doing stuff. Now its 100% of the time stopping someone else and nothing can grow in that level of heat.

Annihilator wrote:

thanks jita, at least you understand.
Agreed on Gamma
Agreed - PVP in this game is only driven by epeen ->
its even missing the most important factor a game needs: FUN for everyone participating.

Haven't seen a single suggestion yet that would lead new and old player to PvP-enabled zone because ist more "entertaining". All you are always talking about is risk vs. reward, with the reward beeing only, and really only virtual goods that you fear to lose.

And thats half the issue, the biggest PvPers don't have to produce anything and so the scales get tipped. You get PvP for PvP's sake. Originally beta worked because the risk vs reward was right AND you needed to produce to keep up with the amount of PvP AND power projection meant that it took considerable time to move from one place to another and scout. This meant you spent 60% of time on your own island doing stuff, 20% on your own island defending it and 20% on others island stopping them doing stuff. Now its 100% of the time stopping someone else and nothing can grow in that level of heat.

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And thats half the issue, the biggest PvPers don't have to produce anything and so the scales get tipped.
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Burial wrote:

Jita wrote:

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And thats half the issue, the biggest PvPers don't have to produce anything and so the scales get tipped.
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Yup, problematic part is anyone looking to live on Beta has to overcome all the hoarding that's been going on for years. Game either needs a huge population boost so asset difference can be run-over with numbers or station locks have to go.

I fail to understand how the hoarding of vet players has anything to do with station locking.  Are you trying to push an agenda?

Jita wrote:

Altera wrote:

I fail to understand how the hoarding of vet players has anything to do with station locking.  Are you trying to push an agenda?

Because people can not live on beta and attack you constantly without need to get more stuff. If you live on beta you don't have that luxary.

That doesn't make sense at all.

You can from Alpha:

A.  Grow noralgis.
B.  Go to Beta and mine and teleport out.
Edited: C.  Buy Epi from the market!
Unlocking Betas only discourages the use of Betas...  By putting people in terminals monitoring activity, docking and undocking games.  And putting shield tanked Detectors under stations to hinder the industrial activities on the game, and you know how easy it is to just undock an ERP tanked heavy to pop a scarab coming into the station?  What your asking for would hinder EVERY new entity from going to beta, because every enemy corp would move lithus into the station and just aggravate and ghank people.

Alpha is only good for making corporations die of boredom. It's not a PVE game. Look at the population if you think I'm not telling the truth.

The recurring theme of yesteryear is coalition reaching critical mass, capturing all Beta stations and then leaving most unused and empty. Happened like three times now, right? Waste of a perfectly good content creation real-estate. Doesn't promote PVP and doesn't promote population growth.

New corporations need to feel they can achieve something on their own and have anything besides blue donut or a steady career on Alpha to look forward to, and veterans need PVP to continue with the same ol' PVE.

Not some agenda-pushing strat, I said the same thing when we held all the stations. ***'s broken.

Then start moving out, pvp, destroy bots, capture stations and freaking do anything on betas and gammas. You do realise that no matter what the devs do, if you dont move your arse to beta, nothing is going to change?

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62nd did fine on it's own.

Since you've played quite a few MMOs with consiquence I'm sure you know what happens when something of extreeme value which can be taken away is added to the game. It encorages blobing to defend that value. Nature of human beeings I guess. I've seen it many times as I'm sure you've seen it as well. Do you think the game should go in that direction?
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