Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

No

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Please keep the comments to other threads and we will make this a simple yes or no with no explanation to avoid argument :-)

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

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p.s.: cry more

Oh the irony!! lol




And Yes to the poll.

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

holy sht even Zortarg is swinging punches at Jita.

I vote no to the poll.

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29 (edited by BadAss 2014-11-18 16:39:36)

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Y-E-S ! ! !

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

yes - rollback X 3 acct's

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

No to the rollback

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32 (edited by Khader Khan 2014-11-16 09:09:13)

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

No re-roll just balance the things you broke so bad. Like Ictus. And fix the mining nerf.

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Well, at least it's good to see people on forums. Before this patch it's was pertty much dead lol

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

I think some slight, very slight, counterbalancing might be needed to tweak some things.

Im never a fan of large, game impacting, mega balancing changes in any mmo...I think things should be done slightly and over a long period of time.

The result of high impact balance changes is over reaction from the community.

This patch saw just about every bot changed in a significant way, in a lot of cases more than what was needed to effectively balance bots. 

I like what the goal of the patch was, however I think they could have buffed assaults, made heavies more tanky, and made light mechs more ??? demob reistant??  without the heavy handed nerfs we saw.

Im sure the balance change took a lot of time and dev work to do, so I don't think they are just going to undo it, despite I think the game was overall in a better place balance wise prior...at least in terms of bots having a real and necessary use on the field.  I think just a flat boost to assaults and nothing else would have been a better first step.  Then followed with very small, and incremental, balance changes to heavies and light mechs.

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

No.

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

No

Since nothing was well balanced in the first place, it doesn't really matter that its still not balanced.

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Dazamin wrote:

No

Since nothing was well balanced in the first place, it doesn't really matter that its still not balanced.

good one

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Dazamin wrote:

No

Since nothing was well balanced in the first place, it doesn't really matter that its still not balanced.

It was far nearer being balanced than it is now, some bots have been indirectley boosted and others have been nerfed into the dust, as a green pilot with most of my 700k ep invested into Ictus I am extremely dissapointed.

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Nooodlzs wrote:
Dazamin wrote:

No

Since nothing was well balanced in the first place, it doesn't really matter that its still not balanced.

It was far nearer being balanced than it is now, some bots have been indirectley boosted and others have been nerfed into the dust, as a green pilot with most of my 700k ep invested into Ictus I am extremely dissapointed.

I disagree, its just different now, of course your playstyle might have been affected, that doesn't by definition make it more unbalanced. You may notice that all EWar bots were essentially nerfed, I wonder why??? :iiam: The Ictus was hit hard because of its non standard bonus setup, if required an adjustment to the base level, as with mining can be used I would think, but its not gonna be what it was (I hope).

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Dazamin wrote:
Nooodlzs wrote:
Dazamin wrote:

No

Since nothing was well balanced in the first place, it doesn't really matter that its still not balanced.

It was far nearer being balanced than it is now, some bots have been indirectley boosted and others have been nerfed into the dust, as a green pilot with most of my 700k ep invested into Ictus I am extremely dissapointed.

I disagree, its just different now, of course your playstyle might have been affected, that doesn't by definition make it more unbalanced. You may notice that all EWar bots were essentially nerfed, I wonder why??? :iiam: The Ictus was hit hard because of its non standard bonus setup, if required an adjustment to the base level, as with mining can be used I would think, but its not gonna be what it was (I hope).

It doesn't require any justifications, simply because there is no justification for it. Devs are not able to see far enough. If you ran the numbers, you'd understand the issues much better. But I doubt you are willing to go that deep, and posting comments will neither solve nor justify current model of balance.

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41 (edited by Nooodlzs 2014-11-18 16:20:37)

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Dazamin wrote:

I disagree, its just different now, of course your playstyle might have been affected, that doesn't by definition make it more unbalanced. You may notice that all EWar bots were essentially nerfed, I wonder why??? :iiam: The Ictus was hit hard because of its non standard bonus setup, if required an adjustment to the base level, as with mining can be used I would think, but its not gonna be what it was (I hope).

When a Rivler/Symbiont Mk1 can neut 354*4 V Ictus Mk2 443*3 with a better accumalator and recharge time, far better resists AND more armour, 10kph faster, also taking less EP, there is something seriously wrong with the nerf.

Use a Symbiont/Rivler Mk2 and it shows that all my EP into Ictus was wasted.

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Nooodlzs wrote:
Dazamin wrote:

I disagree, its just different now, of course your playstyle might have been affected, that doesn't by definition make it more unbalanced. You may notice that all EWar bots were essentially nerfed, I wonder why??? :iiam: The Ictus was hit hard because of its non standard bonus setup, if required an adjustment to the base level, as with mining can be used I would think, but its not gonna be what it was (I hope).

When a Rivler/Symbiont Mk1 can neut 354*4 V Ictus Mk2 443*3 with a better accumalator and recharge time, far better resists AND more armour, 10kph faster, also taking less EP, there is something seriously wrong with the nerf.

Use a Symbiont/Rivler Mk2 and it shows that all my EP into Ictus was wasted.

fuuu

you are comparing a heavy mech class with a mech class robot. not realy a good one. if you want to compare to industrial then you have to compare to termis/gargoyle.

using your logic i could complain that a kain does less dmg then a mesmer...

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Zortarg wrote:
Nooodlzs wrote:
Dazamin wrote:

I disagree, its just different now, of course your playstyle might have been affected, that doesn't by definition make it more unbalanced. You may notice that all EWar bots were essentially nerfed, I wonder why??? :iiam: The Ictus was hit hard because of its non standard bonus setup, if required an adjustment to the base level, as with mining can be used I would think, but its not gonna be what it was (I hope).

When a Rivler/Symbiont Mk1 can neut 354*4 V Ictus Mk2 443*3 with a better accumalator and recharge time, far better resists AND more armour, 10kph faster, also taking less EP, there is something seriously wrong with the nerf.

Use a Symbiont/Rivler Mk2 and it shows that all my EP into Ictus was wasted.

fuuu

you are comparing a heavy mech class with a mech class robot. not realy a good one. if you want to compare to industrial then you have to compare to termis/gargoyle.

using your logic i could complain that a kain does less dmg then a mesmer...

Using that logic you could put lasers on a mesmer mk2 and it'd out DPS a gauss mesmer..

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44 (edited by Nooodlzs 2014-11-18 16:59:42)

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Zortarg wrote:

you are comparing a heavy mech class with a mech class robot. not realy a good one. if you want to compare to industrial then you have to compare to termis/gargoyle.

using your logic i could complain that a kain does less dmg then a mesmer...


Please feel free to point me to the Enwar specialist Heavy Mech robot.

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

A specialist Enwar mech class bot should be better than a HM miner -enough said.

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

hmm, its a long time since jita has thrown EnWar industrials against his opponents.

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47 (edited by Weedy 2014-11-19 01:23:32)

Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Zortarg wrote:
Nooodlzs wrote:
Dazamin wrote:

I disagree, its just different now, of course your playstyle might have been affected, that doesn't by definition make it more unbalanced. You may notice that all EWar bots were essentially nerfed, I wonder why??? :iiam: The Ictus was hit hard because of its non standard bonus setup, if required an adjustment to the base level, as with mining can be used I would think, but its not gonna be what it was (I hope).

When a Rivler/Symbiont Mk1 can neut 354*4 V Ictus Mk2 443*3 with a better accumalator and recharge time, far better resists AND more armour, 10kph faster, also taking less EP, there is something seriously wrong with the nerf.

Use a Symbiont/Rivler Mk2 and it shows that all my EP into Ictus was wasted.

fuuu

you are comparing a heavy mech class with a mech class robot. not realy a good one. if you want to compare to industrial then you have to compare to termis/gargoyle.

using your logic i could complain that a kain does less dmg then a mesmer...

Mk2 ictus and Mk1 riveler are not very far apart in their cost of production. Besides, at this point it doesn't matter much what costs what; you rather count them as a unit you can field on the battlefield. And when one NON-specialist unit is FAR BETTER than the specialist one, it becomes clear that something is screwed in this equation.

Expected you to know such basics, Zortarg, tsk tsk.

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Well this is simple to fix.

Nerf Riv/Sym

Can't use Neuts or their slots are more limited.

I expected you to know more Weedy, you know how this works.

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

Let me just relog to my Dev Alf account, one moment.

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Re: Poll: Should the latest patch be rolled back and reworked on?

There we go!

Do it bro, make it so it never happened.  Zoom does it all the time, why cant the guy who actually does stuff have fun?

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