We don't need SAP 3.0, we need CIR 2.0, one that cares more about the game than their stupid epeen.

STC wanted to drive their competition out by inactivity, boring them out the game by denying pvp whenever they could.  It disgusted you when it was happening before your feelings got hurt.  I remember the TUX quote where he said  "would rather the game die from inactivity than lose against us"....we offer pvp to anyone who wants it, and the kill boards since April show exactly that.

You could argue we are "killing" the game by activity, playing and providing pvp content whenever (granted no one wants to pvp against us because they are afraid)

Ill have someone dig up that collage of your forum posts where you state exactly what im referring to, since youll no doubt try to deny it.

Either way....you don't pvp you don't get beta or gamma, the hand outs to the pve players who just quit when they get pvp is over.

You want the current system to stay in game because you believe the old STC doctrine of boring people out the game will work like it did back when the game had 15 people in gen chat as a result...but it hasn't and wont work...might want to try actually playing to achieve your goals in game.

In all honesty I don't care what the forum vets who don't log in to play think of my suggestion.  You all live in the past trying to grasp on to past glory (or whatever your problem is) I want to focus on the future of the game.  The future of this game isn't ninja sapping and showing a fleet then running...its actually playing...back before your lot mad a name for themselves people fought huge battles in heavies...since the game became populated by STC and people like beast and jita its been nothing but trying to trick people who don't want pvp into pvp...and they get mad over it.

I wish back the old perp community tbh...they actually played the game...a siege system might bring back a few of these people.

Carry on with your hate towards people who do play actively.  Keep bumping my thread.  The people who want the current sap system are the same people who haven't owned a station of their own against competition....because the only game plan that worked for them was boring enemies out the game.

You don't play, you publicly quit.  You are here because you are stuck in the past back when it was STC and the server vs PHM and Chaos, back when Tux's "bore them out the game they'll unsub" worked.

I really don't care about your opinion.  But ill ask you this.  The current system weve proven to hold the game world with little to no effort....my suggestion at a minimum would offer a change in that dominance.

Either way, you log into the forum of a game you no longer play just to say you dislike a suggestion from an active player.  Bravo.

Thanks for the bump buddy.  Best of luck in whatever game you play now.

Everything you post is political bullshite. Can you answer why this game should be so hardcore without feeling the need to shut post in your own thread?

C'mon Stranger, keep posting, you make yourself look smart and are a shining example for your corp.

Let me simplify it further.

Do you think its a good idea to promote larger scale conflicts at the expense of small scale or solo PvP?
Do you think by forcing PvP to a certain style this will increase PvP?
Do you think you can force people to PvP?
Do you understand the difference between "blob" and "players available"?

4 questions, free of political spin. Care to answer?
Whether I play, or quit, or read forums is irrelevant. I can still want to see this game succeed. And my accounts are lifetime and I can post anytime.

I already told you I thought you may have some decent ideas with this, but you're too busy spinning to even stop and think and discuss. Not that that is a bad thing, it makes for entertaining reading.

Keep saps and sap loot for small scale fights, make the beta stations a big fight, with a take it all or nothing mechanics.

It will help the active players who have greater numbers organize enough to get more than 5 on at a time, and would see some vets hopefully return for nothing more than to log on and fight their hated enemy.

small scale is fine, however this game is nothing but small scale, lets get some fun big fights going.

There are more vets and more noobs out there than exist in our alliance, the issue as I see it is 50% cowardice 50% lack or organization.

Or lets keep the current system that promotes us taking the game world with little effort...

Oh and the reason I like this system is I watched how well it worked with a small pvp community in darkfall....brought the whole server out to fight, and that game was full loss pvp as well.

And I do understand that the inactive players who live only on the forums will be 100% against anything anyone with this corp tag suggest...even if its something that could change the balance of power.

Read my OP, its discussed there how to prevent that.  Literally the same siege mechanic from darkfall if you've played.

But then, alarm clocking is pretty much how all the saps get hit right now...so not much change there if that is the plan for how people want to siege....at least this system makes it known to all that there is a chance for a big fight...which hopefully would see a lot of inactive vets log on to participate.

anywhoo, I think I fully understand you enjoy the current mechanic far too much, I get you want to be a part of the pvp politics without pvping, and ninja sapping is the way to do that these days I guess, eventhough its proven to be 100% ineffective.

Should I feel sorry for suggesting a mechanic that might change the current power balance?

Yes.

Finally you post here, now we can have just about every inactive pvper, and pve only player, posting how they dislike a change in the pvp mechanics they avoid like the plague.

and no anni, being in abu then docking with a larger fleet than us rather than fighting....isn't pvping.

perhaps if that was an all or nothing siege for abu, you guys would have pulled the trigger and at a minimum gotten some high value kills, and best case, won....we will never know the outcome had that happened though.

Bottom line: people who are inactive, don't play, or wish to avoid pvp at all costs dislike a system that encourages pvp and enjoy the current system, that encourages inactivity....despite it works to our advantage.

loud and clear on that guys.  thanks for your input.

Try to stay on topic, or create your own trolling thread if you wish to pursue this discussion.

Thanks for the bump jita.

Maybe im the only one who sees the irony in people who cant be bothered to play or pvp who like the current system that's proven to be a failure.