Of course you didn't bother to read the suggestion you are so against, you looked at the corp tag of the Op then posted accordingly, nothing new with that.

My suggestion would see more vets on the sideline come back, which is what the Rest of the Server Alliance needs right now.

It would be the case where you could look at whats getting seiged in the next 48 hours, see when it goes live, and people could log in just for that event...since the rest of the game might bore a lot of long term players.

Making the current pvp motives more than ninja sapping, setting traps to force people to pvp, and rolling the dice on activity might give the new players more motives if they know they can set a siege and have a lot of vets log on and help them.

Its a small change, imo, and will have big results.  My experience with this siege system was playing Darkfall on a server just as dead as this games server....and with sieges you get near complete server involvement....it made the game feel very alive and was motive to keep playing through siege downtime so you could at least prepare for the inevitable siege....on top of that it created a market for neutral mercenary clans...since you had a schedule you could hire people to fight for you.

Its easy to just disagree with something you didn't read just because you assume its a suggestion made to only benefit one party....based on corp tags...however im not the only player on my side who wishes we got our sht pushed in more often....and im not talking on paper wins where everyone on your side gets wiped but you kill syndic or whatever....real loss. ROTS has the numbers, just can never get them all on during the right times since SAP activity is a crap shoot.

Look past the politics for once....

I know you wont understand this, but the blob right now, and for the last several months, has been the rest of the server alliance against us.

The issue is, we can easily get a small number of people on within a few minuets for a sap, that advantage goes away once you get a 48hr heads up for an all or nothing SAP Seige.  As you guys will be able to get a hold of all the forum vets, and at least a few people with the 10 or whatever corps are allied together.

You say we blob, everyone does, because we are able to get 5-15 (maybe 20) people on and deployed within a few minuets to handle a few players and possibly a log on trap or whatever.  Truth is, the current sap system is incredibly advantageous to us, since we are a close gaming community and very organized.

The system I suggest gives the unorganized some time to prepare and plan, meaning you can have that big siege during your peak time, with the ability to give a heads up before dropping as well as a 48-ish hour window to secure your plan.

I know most the forum vets assume this is some masterful plot to secure dominance, truth is, we are already dominant because the current system you think ninja sapping is the only hope, but hasn't worked.

Anyone who played darkfall 1.0 towards the end knows exactly what a siege system like this does, it brings the server together to fight, it causes higher activity, and increased participation.  That is exactly what the current system lacks.

Since inactivity as a weapon no longer works against us, lets get a siege system in place that creates the opportunity for people to properly prepare and plan for a large fight...lets give rise to mercenary corps who exist to provide numbers to the highest bidders...lets get rid of the old "bore them out the game" tactics employed by ninja sappers.

By all means keep the sap loot and saps on a timer for small scale loot and scoot or fights...just make taking a sation a preplanned and public event...and make it all or nothing.

This current sap system...it works when you get 10k players pvping and holding one station becomes a full time and difficult job.  I want a system that works for the smaller community we have, and one that encourages people to get involved with pvp.

If you haven't figured it out by now let me explain.

You cannot force people to PvP.
Changing game mechanics to promote larger scale engagements will only result in further eliminating small scale engagements. People will only engage in larger scale conflicts when they have the numbers.

When we had the numbers, we ruled the server. You have the numbers and organization now. You rule now. And numbers mean capable and available pilots, not total subs.

If you had your current numbers, even double it, and the server had 1000 concurrent online users minimum at any time, you would own a much smaller chunk of the world and PvP would abound. But it's not the case right now.

Your ideas aren't bad, Stranger, just forget about the premise of changing game mechanics to promote larger fights. It won't happen.

On a separate note, Ninja Saps only work when the Station owner isn't around. If you are active and living around the station you own chances are it wouldn't be ninja'd. If you own too many stations and don't have enough players active in game to cover them, losing a sap to a ninja is your problem, not the mechanic.

Being in a small corp I would like to see station bonuses go based on who really owns the area. Not necessarily the server. I would like to bring my small corp in to fight as a third party for one side or neither just as a way to have content. If its preplanned fight the the alliance of everyone vs the group no one likes should be able to plan a bigger blob? Then I can come in and harrass the flanks

btw.
why are you asking for removal of content for your own personal goal?

Stranger: You come out with issues of the game that has long been a problem, and has little to do with the intrusion mechanics but more to do with little incentive to fight for pvp areas and the low population. Not only that but with the great imbalance that has plagued this game for years with old gammas , where most vets have stocked up with everything they need.

Stranger, quit using buzzwords like blob and hiding the facts. The only real blob left in the game are the amount of words you post on forums.

Everyone knows what matters in PvP is the number of bots and players on the battlefield and available reserves.

Not players in corp. Not players in Gen Chat. Not players in alliance.

Your side (and nothing wrong with this btw) currently has more players available or close by for most battles than any other entity currently in game. This is why you own the world. It's really that simple.

Attempting to change mechanics to cater to your current Alliance strengths and playstyles will not promote larger scale PvP. Only when another entity has the same available numbers and pilots will you get more fights.

You started this topic with some ideas for improving the game. Not bad. But you're ending it with the same old political crap you post on every thread. Think about it.

You quit the game a while ago...why linger?

No one brought politics here but you and celebro and burial...which is standard issue.  Read my OP....

You like the current sap system because I want it into something that promotes pvp...simple as that....for someone who doesn't play at least, and publicly quit  long ago.

Either way weve owned the game world for quite some time, with little effort with the current system...so if you want to make it political go for it...end result is the same only in that if you want a station youll have to pvp for it...I know that's crazy talk isnt it?

I dunno, id be more open to discussion with actual players who participate in actual game politics in regards to "politically motivated" discussions.  Talking about that with you, annihilator, burial, beast,jita,celebro...and all the other sore loser vets who think anyone cares about politics regarding their dead corps in the past.....its pointless...why even bring up politics?

You kids stay in the past, and cling to past politics where you were relevant....im looking forward and to the future...

Problem with beta outposts is that they encourage avoidance of pvp.

Unlocking them just caters to the ninja sappers who wouldn't dare fight for a sap.

Let change the mechanics to encourage pvp fights for those who want stations, and keep the sap loot system, untie it from stability, and keep that for pawkaw to ninja hit.

Like cassius, burial, you hardly ever play the game, why does a system that is extremely advantageous to us (current system) feel so appealing to you?  Other than maybe you enjoy the fact that the game lacks any pvp....

I want to help the people who actually play, not you, celebro, cassius, or the rest of you guys....you don't play and only come here to stir up the pot and make accusations like its 2011 and STC is relevant and active.

This system helps the underdogs with greater numbers, the siege system....gives them a fighting chance, they have the numbers....but lack the continual organization that's causing us, the small alliance, to rule the game world through the actions of maybe 5-10 people.

You root for the game to die, I get it, really I do...

My idea was to keep the saps in game.  Make those mini capture points for slow tick resources and the loot drops that current occur in game.  I think they make a great small scale skirmish content....where you could just ninja the loot and profit.

I just want the actual taking of stations to be more of an organized and public event, that would allow for people to better plan, and result in some bigger fights.  Like with Darkfall where an underdog corp would siege a city, hire mercenaries and have other clans help out who just wanted to see them take something from their enemies...the powerful alliances would still be powerful, but given the prep time of a siege, the underdog stood a chance, and would be able to defend as the powerful would need to give them that 48hrs to which they were able to properly mount a defense.

There should be content aimed at ninja sapping, just not as the sole pvp content....people get bored showing up for a sap and no one else is there, both with our side and the other...its too hit or miss and random to work with a community of this size.  Reason is....its incredibly difficult to mount several attacks on the station, as the times are too random, and then you need to be there and defend so someone doesn't ninja it....works for us we have the people who love that...doesn't work for a coalition of upstarts who are not nearly as organized.

I want to see the new corps come in a big enough force to provide a decent fight, I know they have the numbers to overwhelm us, they just lack the organization, and have to continually be organized though the duration of taking a station and defending it...rather than a large orchestrated battle.

Could bring enough excitement to bring a lot of vets back, and you guys need those vets in game and active.  Just think what sieging multiple CIR/77 Stations would look like...we would need to own a reasonable amount of property to be able to defend...right now we can defend the entire game world with a handful of players....

All I read here is an attempt to get more people around for CIR and co to log in more people to get more kills??

Pre planned so the opposition can bring more numbers which you can easily counter with 'lending' accounts to other members of your multi gaming community. 

Even if the numbers were even or greater than your alliance can bring the spy network as has been eluded to before negates that advantage.  I would propose that until there's an entity that can bring double your numbers OR has an equally effective spy embedded AND has the resources then your suggestion is nothing but game feature changes that benefit your selfish reasoning and not really solving the overall problem.

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