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the problem with "more specific roles" for existing robots is against the whole "modular equip" thingy.
the problem with giving prototype specific roles that mk2s dont have -> what do you call the next variation of the same bot/mech?

What is Perpetuum wrote:

30+ robots, hundreds of items
Robots can be specialized in several kinds of operations or tactics. The only barrier is your imagination.

no, your only barrier is that every robots specialisation is given by its slot layout and even more by its bonuses. DEVs are finally fixing this, or at least moving into that direction. Asking for more specialised robots is asking for a very expensive 3D artist creating those.

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Ville wrote:

Does it really matter?  Besides shouldn't you be worried about getting kicked from -ND- because some vet thinks your a spy and your CEO caves to it?

that never happens. oh wait...

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Kayin Prime wrote:
Ville wrote:

Does it really matter?  Besides shouldn't you be worried about getting kicked from -ND- because some vet thinks your a spy and your CEO caves to it?

that never happens. oh wait...

Because 3 week old players suddenly have in depth inner knowledge about SAP and "tactical warfare"?  Amirite?

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Annihilator wrote:

the problem with "more specific roles" for existing robots is against the whole "modular equip" thingy.
the problem with giving prototype specific roles that mk2s dont have -> what do you call the next variation of the same bot/mech?

What is Perpetuum wrote:

30+ robots, hundreds of items
Robots can be specialized in several kinds of operations or tactics. The only barrier is your imagination.

no, your only barrier is that every robots specialisation is given by its slot layout and even more by its bonuses. DEVs are finally fixing this, or at least moving into that direction. Asking for more specialised robots is asking for a very expensive 3D artist creating those.


Yes by making all the robots disgustingly the same with no unique features to each because fitting an autocannon in every slot gives you as much dps as faction specific weapons.  Hell Anni, why don't we just get rid of *** names and colors of robots and have a random undock button that places you in a random robot, where you get to spend hours killing 1 robot in an intense battle that rewards you a few hundred Nic.  While we're at let's put epriton and colixium on alpha!  Yay!!  And remove pvp!!  We will call it Hello Robots Island Adventures:Stupid *** trees edition!  Awesome!

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I can understand the overall reduction of DPS and EW as well as the relative buff to light and assault bots. I don't like the nerf to mining and harvesting or the additional EP it will take me to pilot bots I already pilot. It feels like the EP changes will hurt most for characters in the ~3-500k EP range like mine. /QQ

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Ville wrote:
Kayin Prime wrote:
Ville wrote:

Does it really matter?  Besides shouldn't you be worried about getting kicked from -ND- because some vet thinks your a spy and your CEO caves to it?

that never happens. oh wait...

Because 3 week old players suddenly have in depth inner knowledge about SAP and "tactical warfare"?  Amirite?

So, how exactly did dying to me make Kayin a spai anyway? Heard Gunner and Opti put 'em on teh spy list for the "partnership of EP reimbursement wanters." fuuu

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Actually it was when he started posting on the forums about indepth SAP mechanics and power projection.  Little fishy for his time in game.

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33 (edited by BeastmodeGuNs 2014-11-06 20:29:28)

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Ville wrote:

Actually it was when he started posting on the forums about indepth SAP mechanics and power projection.  Little fishy for his time in game.

Fishy? I call it fast learning, its not that hard to ask people and start learning about SAP mechanics and about how PvP tends to go down in "tactical warfare", I've had peeps who have been taught and learned all about it and started helping with SAPs (scanning or doing them)by the fine people of "the alliance" within the first 2 weeks.

If hes a spy for learning how things work within 3 then I pity you.

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Also where is my rep bonus on my Arbalest ? -.-

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Ville wrote:

Yes by making all the robots disgustingly the same with no unique features to each because fitting an autocannon in every slot gives you as much dps as faction specific weapons.  Hell Anni, why don't we just get rid of *** names and colors of robots and have a random undock button that places you in a random robot, where you get to spend hours killing 1 robot in an intense battle that rewards you a few hundred Nic.  While we're at let's put epriton and colixium on alpha!  Yay!!  And remove pvp!!  We will call it Hello Robots Island Adventures:Stupid *** trees edition!  Awesome!

1. the colors on the robots have been a wasted feature for years now. or did anyone except CHAOS ever run a non-mixed faction corp (at least for some time)

2. the robots have still lots of different defining attributes. or is it just me that cannot fit 4 missile launchers on a kain. Neither can i remember beeing able to put a single EM gun on my Gropho.

3. must be really lonely on gamma.

Nex2nic wrote:

I can understand the overall reduction of DPS and EW as well as the relative buff to light and assault bots. I don't like the nerf to mining and harvesting or the additional EP it will take me to pilot bots I already pilot. It feels like the EP changes will hurt most for characters in the ~3-500k EP range like mine. /QQ

where did you get that information from? I don't see anything like that on PTS.

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derailed thread is derailed. troll post 10/10

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Annihilator wrote:

where did you get that information from? I don't see anything like that on PTS.

I thought there were new requirements like the combat pilot one under robot control but I probably misunderstood.

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Nex2nic wrote:
Annihilator wrote:

where did you get that information from? I don't see anything like that on PTS.

I thought there were new requirements like the combat pilot one under robot control but I probably misunderstood.

The combat and industrial robot specialist extensions will be starter extensions, and as such every existing character will get them on level 1 when we patch this.

However, to be able to use Mk2 robots after the patch, you will need to install the hi-tech robot specialist extension at least on level 1.

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Well that doesn't sound too bad.

40 (edited by Supremacy 2014-11-07 05:30:36)

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you guys are brainwashed


Zoom,

you know what you did



Zoom is about to wreck    Waspish, so suppose player X doesnt want waspish now becuase the range is ***.

nope sorry no EP reset for you too bad so sad


you guys are so full of crud, Devs

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You're playing since 2011 and such things still worrying you?
Shouldn't you have multiple bots/races on 10 already? smile

Anyway, it's sounds reasonable to refund EP. I know that this is very unpleasant to spend months/years of training on some fitting, and then suddenly it's get nerfed.

BUT i'm sure that this not the last rebalancing. So it's would be stupid to refund EP every time when it happens.
I know that in such old game as EVE they're still constantly boosting and nerfing something. Lots of people get mad everytime, mostly the "average" players. Some can even give an advice to a noob to train something that is garbage at the moment, so there's a big chance that this'll be boosted when he'll maximizes the skills for it lol

The ultimate solution is to became nerf-proof.

42 (edited by Stranger Danger 2014-11-07 15:23:39)

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Looks like all us vets will finally have  a use for those roll over perp credits from the subscription that were useless (not enough for a booster ect)

Either way this effects most vets who don't play and benefits Optikahn the greatest...and lv10 was always heavy on EP for little value.

Oh and Jita....read this thread...find the only insults and trolling coming from your posts.  Grow Up.

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Devalued Skills is not a reason for a refund, only obsolete or removed extensions.

RIP PERPETUUM

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If you think about it, lv10 has always been sort of a luxury for little return....other than lv10 robot controls that allow you to use mk2 heavies.

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Celebro wrote:

Devalued Skills is not a reason for a refund, only obsolete or removed extensions.

What about robots rebalance?

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QeX wrote:
Celebro wrote:

Devalued Skills is not a reason for a refund, only obsolete or removed extensions.

What about robots rebalance?

This isn't the first time bots have been rebalanced. 

People will adapt.

Almost no one uses fleets that are 100% optimized anyway.  Most bring what they have for the fight and make due.

Back when we rolled with a totally optimized fleet, something like this would have been a major issue...as the whole fleet would need to be reworked....but theres no point to rolling with one of those fleets when the rest of the server is so disorganized and more interested in running from a fight.

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Stranger Danger wrote:

People will adapt.

will adapt...

will login once in 3 days while... wink

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QeX wrote:
Celebro wrote:

Devalued Skills is not a reason for a refund, only obsolete or removed extensions.

What about robots rebalance?

If an extension level higher still gives you an edge against others then no refund is necessary. We all know the fit of the day/month/year is not going to last forever.

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Celebro wrote:

If an extension level higher still gives you an edge against others then no refund is necessary. We all know the fit of the day/month/year is not going to last forever.



I came into the game and choose a fraction based on current bonuses robots, I did plan the necessary skills and scatter EP.

Now I do not like the changes in my fraction , I would choose other fraction and I would scatter EP differently.

Sry for my eng

50 (edited by Annihilator 2014-11-08 17:55:10)

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QeX wrote:
Celebro wrote:

If an extension level higher still gives you an edge against others then no refund is necessary. We all know the fit of the day/month/year is not going to last forever.



I came into the game and choose a fraction based on current bonuses robots, I did plan the necessary skills and scatter EP.

Now I do not like the changes in my fraction , I would choose other fraction and I would scatter EP differently.

Sry for my eng

which choice would that be? or bette,r wich robot in specific your talking about.

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