1 Topic by Cassius (edited by Cassius 2014-02-03 20:58:45)

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Topic: Account "gifting"

Hmm, probably not the best topic to dive into, but wtf ..

First, this practice in general is not something I've ever been comfortable with, in any game.
It's not something I'd ever do. That said ...

Could you make a forum Character Bazaar, much like some other game, that would allow characters to be transferred from one player to another with clear cut rules?

There are many, many accounts in this game that players have skilled up and stopped playing after 6 months, or players with secondary accounts skilled in specialties like logistics or protoyping, that changes to the game have eliminated the need for those players to have those accounts.

Currently, I understand the rules for this appear a little fuzzy, to say the least. People could in theory "gift" accounts for the afternoon to let someone else mine and then "gift" them back that evening .... effectively allowing multiple players to run single accounts and exploit resources.

If you had a character bazaar where people could purchase characters with in game items or Nic, and did not allow a traded character to be traded again for 30, 60, or 90 days, or whatever, this would prevent account lending while allowing characters to switch owners. And it being public and transparent on the forums would allow you the devs to control it and eliminate people changing their minds or claiming their character has been stolen.

I'm not really saying I want this idea. What I am saying is the current rules or understanding seems to allow for a large latitude of abuse, and headaches for the Devs .... why would they (you) want that?.

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I agree wholeheartedly. If it's going to move from one player to another it needs a forum record and the ability to sell it for nic.

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Account gifting should not be allowed.

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I think it's a good thing for the game if it's regulated and costs an ice or some ***

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Inb4 the Merkle :fuuuu:

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This must be the second step to ending muti-account 'abuse'

Once Follow is gone it will be safe to BUY and SELL accounts!!!

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At least then if you bother to set up over 9000 *** you can get something for them.

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8 Reply by Obi Wan Kenobi (edited by Obi Wan Kenobi 2014-02-04 14:01:25)

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I have to agree with Cass. the DEVs turning the blind eye to this is stupid. Have it regulated in some way is the best option.
Keep account trades in the open.
Make it a Banable offence to impersonate the original owner of a sold account.
Ban Player accounts that share / trade accounts that dont make the trade public.

All the swapping that goes on in the dark atm is VERY bad for the game long term & will lead to MASSIVE abuses & scamming that will hurt this games reputation.
Seen this happen before.

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Account gifting should not be allowed.

^^ this the preferred option.

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Accounts need to warned then banned if IP changes consecutively for more than 3 days in a row or something. This is not fair to others that go by the rules or fear you will loose the account.

Yes this is still happening and account gifting once or twice a week is still some abuse but not when high end accounts are shared and in use 24/7. Something should be done.

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Accounts need to warned then banned if IP changes consecutively for more than 3 days in a row or something. This is not fair to others that go by the rules or fear you will loose the account.

Yes this is still happening and account gifting once or twice a week is still some abuse but not when high end accounts are shared and in use 24/7. Something should be done.

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Ville wrote:
Celebro wrote:

Accounts need to warned then banned if IP changes consecutively for more than 3 days in a row or something. This is not fair to others that go by the rules or fear you will loose the account.

Yes this is still happening and account gifting once or twice a week is still some abuse but not when high end accounts are shared and in use 24/7. Something should be done.

-1. I travel and between hotel wifi, cell phone towers and jobsite DSL there could have been times I had three different IPs in a day.


Are you travelling all the time? Maybe there is a way to not ban those with different IPs that are close, but I am sure it's not that hard to see a pattern at least between different time zones.

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12 Reply by Gremrod (edited by Gremrod 2014-09-15 20:11:21)

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I don't care who is using the account. If it is active it is good for the game. If it is active and spending money on the game even better.

I say allow character transfers or account gifting. +1 to OP

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I don't care who is using the account. If it is active it is good for the game. If it is active and spending money on the game even better.

I say allow character transfers or account gifting. +1 to OP


So you find it ok that high end miner accounts can change hands 24/7?

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I am not sure when I will be on a business trip in Luxembourg next week it will be close to Polish IPs or to the london IP i had yesterday.

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Celebro wrote:
Gremrod wrote:

I don't care who is using the account. If it is active it is good for the game. If it is active and spending money on the game even better.

I say allow character transfers or account gifting. +1 to OP


So you find it ok that high end miner accounts can change hands 24/7?

I said allow character transfers.

I don't think I mind high end miner accounts changing hands 24/7. You still need to spend the time to get the minerals.

But I would rather see something in place for character transfer for NIC.

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16 Reply by Celebro (edited by Celebro 2014-09-15 21:52:28)

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How convenient, everyone in CIR/PHM are a bunch of nomads.

Accounts on 24hrs for days -red flag 1

Accounts changes IP at roughly the same time consecutively for a period of days/week. red flag 2

Both IPs are on 5-6hrs+ different time zone ( between London and Poland there is only 1 hour difference)-red flag 3

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How convenient, everyone in CIR/PHM are a bunch of nomads.

Accounts on 24hrs for days -red flag 1

Accounts changes hands at roughly the same time consecutively for a period of days/week. red flag 2

Both IPs are on 5-6hrs+ different time zone ( between London and Poland there is only 1 hour difference)-red flag 3

Who said anything about accounts changing hands?

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18 Reply by Celebro (edited by Celebro 2014-09-15 21:52:03)

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Gremrod wrote:
Celebro wrote:

How convenient, everyone in CIR/PHM are a bunch of nomads.

Accounts on 24hrs for days -red flag 1

Accounts changes hands at roughly the same time consecutively for a period of days/week. red flag 2

Both IPs are on 5-6hrs+ different time zone ( between London and Poland there is only 1 hour difference)-red flag 3

Who said anything about accounts changing hands?


correction:

Accounts changes IP at roughly the same time consecutively for a period of days/week. red flag 2

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celebro - you are expecting that the perp server could track login patterns?
it cannot even track player / corp wallets having irregular or extreme changes to track exploits or broken game mechanics.

or something as simple "server crashed, SMS/pager notify the server admin"

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How convenient, everyone in CIR/PHM are a bunch of nomads.

Accounts on 24hrs for days -red flag 1

Accounts changes IP at roughly the same time consecutively for a period of days/week. red flag 2

Both IPs are on 5-6hrs+ different time zone ( between London and Poland there is only 1 hour difference)-red flag 3

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21 Reply by Rex Amelius (edited by Rex Amelius 2014-09-16 03:05:15)

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Account sharing provides for equal opportunity abuse, meaning ANYONE can do it.

But that's not what this is about. This is about DEFAMING and ENTIRE GROUP at every corner and turn in the game while PRETENDING that everyone else is innocent as the driven snow is pure.

Oh you're all such poor VICTIMS. Don't you guys ever tire of hunting witches?

Did you know there are two ways to discover a witch: (1) drown them and if they survive they are a witch, or (2) burn them and again if they survive they are a witch. I don't know then how to kill a witch, but I'm pretty sure once you discover one you're totally *** as they don't like to be discovered. Likely they will drown you, revive you before you die and then burn you till you die again for good. So it's perhaps not the best idea to go hunting witches. You have much better odds recruiting players, training them to pvp and sending them out to Beta to hunt 77/CIR.

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Rex, huh? History says your alliance mates had engaged in this previously. Why would you find it surprising people may imply it again?

Gremrod you said you were in favour of account transfers and gifting. They are not the same.
Accounts playing the game doesn't equal success.

If one maxxed miner account is gifted to 3 different players in a day and is continuously used to mine a resource at peak efficiency, the net effect is a higher yield of resources and wealth. And this yield is done with a 1/3 of the account cost if each player was required to max their characters in the same field. This is why account "gifting" can be used and abused.

If the character is sold, transferred publicly, and cannot be returned for a reasonable period of time, then theoretically newer enthusiastic players can purchase experienced accounts and dive into a deeper level of gameplay sooner than 1 EP a minute. In this scenario, the Devs make money on the transfers.

I'm not advocating anything. All I'm saying as I said in the OP is that the current system is ripe for abuse. I also stated it's not something I'd do. In light that I no longer play the game, and I have 3 accounts with 1.6+ mill EP and 5 accounts with at least 200k + unspent EP, you'd think I'd be happy to see this implemented so I can sell them. But it's not a practice I'd ever do and my position hasn't changed.

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I'd like to sell accounts for $.

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Rex Amelius wrote:

Account sharing provides for equal opportunity abuse, meaning ANYONE can do it.

Should we all start breaking rules just because one group is doing it.. ?

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Gremrod you said you were in favour of account transfers and gifting. They are not the same.
Accounts playing the game doesn't equal success.

Yeah you're right. I must of been thinking it and just typed it. smile

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If one maxxed miner account is gifted to 3 different players in a day and is continuously used to mine a resource at peak efficiency, the net effect is a higher yield of resources and wealth. And this yield is done with a 1/3 of the account cost if each player was required to max their characters in the same field. This is why account "gifting" can be used and abused.

You have convinced me even more. I don't think account sharing should be aloud. smile

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If the character is sold, transferred publicly, and cannot be returned for a reasonable period of time, then theoretically newer enthusiastic players can purchase experienced accounts and dive into a deeper level of gameplay sooner than 1 EP a minute. In this scenario, the Devs make money on the transfers.

Agree. smile

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