1 (edited by Crepitus 2014-07-09 13:38:08)

Topic: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

So, I heard a rumor that the DEVs were getting their famously careful balance scalpel out (/sarcasm) with regards to masking values on miners.  First, I'm not that great at math, so maybe I've done something wrong but this is how it looks to me.

The problem is simple, any masking value under 100 in the current system is a buff.  Example:

Max detection is 226 rF (on a light or mech with an intrinsic detection value of 120 + t4 detector + lvl 10 skills).
The formula, as I understand it, is (detection/masking) * 1000.  In my own testing this seems to hold true.

A field can has no masking value, not zero, just no value.  You cannot divide by 0.  Therefore a field can can be seen at 22,600 right?  Wrong.  Hungarian math.  I guess, because you're not dividing by 0 (??), this translates in to 2260 meters. 

What does this mean for you, the would be ninja miners? 

That any masking rF value under 100 is actually a boost to the detection skills of anyone hunting you. 

Let's do another example:

You're in a Riveler, default masking value 75rF, (226/75) * 1000 = 3013.33 repeating.  That's right, your Riveler can be seen before your field can that has no masking at all.


What does this mean?

A masking value of 100 is the same as having no masking at all.

Signal maskers help a great deal in this since the inverse of the above is also true, anything above 100 is a buff and better than nothing, but it won't help your field can smile.  However, it also means that both detectors and maskers are REQUIRED far more often than they should be, at least in my opinion.

This is also why teleport beacons can be seen from so far away, masking rF 25 = 9x boost over no value.

I have heard some people in our TS who do far more testing than I will ever do both live and on test server that the current state of the game is the most balanced it's ever been.  Overall, I agree with them, don't go tossing nukes around.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

Actually field cans have a masking of 100.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

Syndic wrote:

Actually field cans have a masking of 100.


Well, okay, but you still can't improve the masking on one which will be the bottleneck for someone trying to hide *shrug*.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

Its CIR so i'll translate for you Alf since its actually a valid point:

If your gonna reduce masking values on miners reduce it on their cans too otherwise its pointless.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

Jita wrote:

Its CIR so i'll translate for you Alf since its actually a valid point:

If your gonna reduce masking values on miners reduce it on their cans too otherwise its pointless.

He would put that but you would probably attack him in some form or another.  Just like your still doing.

I would post this in the masking/detection thread.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

Ville wrote:
Jita wrote:

Its CIR so i'll translate for you Alf since its actually a valid point:

If your gonna reduce masking values on miners reduce it on their cans too otherwise its pointless.

He would put that but you would probably attack him in some form or another.  Just like your still doing.

I would post this in the masking/detection thread.

i'm agreeing with him because its a good idea instead of blanket disagreeing because of his tags. Try it sometime.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

I do, quite often.  Its a shame when we back our information up with hard evidence then you result to personal attacks.  I don't take kindly what you said last night in general chat.  And tbh, I was more than excited to see a worth opponent grow into something.  But after your more than demeaning attitude and bitter rage, I could care less.  I still had respect for you, but I see now that everything I've personally done for you was tossed to the wayside.

There was two people willing to offer you a hand when you were unbanned.  Me and Bobo.  We helped you get established, gave you stuff to get you going always made sure you, Jita, had what we had and never asked a dime for it.  Even when STC hunted you day in and day out we sought to offer you protection.  And in the end what do I get?  I get a 15 minute rage out thread accusing me of being some random alt account.  I don't meta game, never did and I despise forum alts.  I said it last night and I'll say it again.  If I have something to say, I'll say it on Ville or Crusader.  I'm not one to not take responsibility for my actions.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

meh

Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

Ville wrote:

I do, quite often.  Its a shame when we back our information up with hard evidence then you result to personal attacks.  I don't take kindly what you said last night in general chat.  And tbh, I was more than excited to see a worth opponent grow into something.  But after your more than demeaning attitude and bitter rage, I could care less.  I still had respect for you, but I see now that everything I've personally done for you was tossed to the wayside.

There was two people willing to offer you a hand when you were unbanned.  Me and Bobo.  We helped you get established, gave you stuff to get you going always made sure you, Jita, had what we had and never asked a dime for it.  Even when STC hunted you day in and day out we sought to offer you protection.  And in the end what do I get?  I get a 15 minute rage out thread accusing me of being some random alt account.  I don't meta game, never did and I despise forum alts.  I said it last night and I'll say it again.  If I have something to say, I'll say it on Ville or Crusader.  I'm not one to not take responsibility for my actions.

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Re: Hungarian Math and (Mining) Masking

i wonder if alf even understands what the op was trying to tell,
while jitas tl;dr summary sums it up.

hungarian math is easier to understand then CIR logic...

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