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Also keep in mind that we don't talk about only fleet compositions, we have to take the funfactor of individual players into account.
you move in the right direction, if you think about it 
1. Just as expected. Lol
2. ECMs? When everyone and their mother knows it's suppressors the ones being OP? Lol.
3. "New" EW player utility vs 1 no skill required ECCM? Lol.
4. Not being able to shoot due to EW Bad? Not being able to shoot due to accu raping good? Lol.
5. Accu based mechs being able to mostly ignore accu drain instead? Lol.
6. Not being able to shoot bad. Not being able to move good? Lol.
7. Zenith+ECM+Tuner >> Vaga, unaddressed, unmentioned, and instead get changes in response to whining? Lol.
8. EW Mech+Boosted ECCM? Lol.
9. Proposals of moving ECM (ofc, not supressors) to 10s to 15s? Lol.
10. The idea that fitting an ECCM should make a max skilled EW platform a mere nuisance, idea apparently shared by the devs? Lol.Whatever. Between this and the RMT thing it is clear you have no idea how the game works or are in the Spacebar FTW Club no matter the consequences down the line. It's also clear that whoever did the balancing previously was not you.
^^ +1
Ictus energy warfare is limited by line of sight
Long range demobs are limited by line of sight / short range demobs have a base range of ~ 200m with good skills.
And?
You are comparing two forms of EW that directly affect survibability, with two that can be safely cancelled by easily walking away and breaking lock? Not to mention the ictus bonus?
This has gone full Zortag. I'm done with this thread until people recover their senses and stop proposing stupid stuff after stupid stuff because this is going nowhere.
It's not notably about ECM or Suppressors IMO, it's about EW strength in general.
It's about ECM Tunings.
BandwagonX9000 wrote:1. Just as expected. Lol
2. ECMs? When everyone and their mother knows it's suppressors the ones being OP? Lol.
3. "New" EW player utility vs 1 no skill required ECCM? Lol.
4. Not being able to shoot due to EW Bad? Not being able to shoot due to accu raping good? Lol.
5. Accu based mechs being able to mostly ignore accu drain instead? Lol.
6. Not being able to shoot bad. Not being able to move good? Lol.
7. Zenith+ECM+Tuner >> Vaga, unaddressed, unmentioned, and instead get changes in response to whining? Lol.
8. EW Mech+Boosted ECCM? Lol.
9. Proposals of moving ECM (ofc, not supressors) to 10s to 15s? Lol.
10. The idea that fitting an ECCM should make a max skilled EW platform a mere nuisance, idea apparently shared by the devs? Lol.Whatever. Between this and the RMT thing it is clear you have no idea how the game works or are in the Spacebar FTW Club no matter the consequences down the line. It's also clear that whoever did the balancing previously was not you.
^^ +1
Mostly agree
Tux wrote:Ictus energy warfare is limited by line of sight
Long range demobs are limited by line of sight / short range demobs have a base range of ~ 200m with good skills.And?
You are comparing two forms of EW that directly affect survibability, with two that can be safely cancelled by easily walking away and breaking lock? Not to mention the ictus bonus?
This has gone full Zortag. I'm done with this thread until people recover their senses and stop proposing stupid stuff after stupid stuff because this is going nowhere.
with a properly fitted EW mech your walk would be over 1k to " be safely cancelled by easily walking away and breaking lock"
Their are NO drawbacks with the current way ECM and Suppression works and nothing like Armor plates / counter to demob or reactor sealing counter to neutralization. ECCM is a joke and doesnt do enough to even start to counter ECM .. sensor amps would need a tuner to come close to being a counter to suppression.
for balance their needs counters to everything ... if there is no viable (effective) counter then the balance is gone .. simple as that.
BandwagonX9000 wrote:Tux wrote:Ictus energy warfare is limited by line of sight
Long range demobs are limited by line of sight / short range demobs have a base range of ~ 200m with good skills.And?
You are comparing two forms of EW that directly affect survibability, with two that can be safely cancelled by easily walking away and breaking lock? Not to mention the ictus bonus?
This has gone full Zortag. I'm done with this thread until people recover their senses and stop proposing stupid stuff after stupid stuff because this is going nowhere.
with a properly fitted EW mech your walk would be over 1k to " be safely cancelled by easily walking away and breaking lock"
Their are NO drawbacks with the current way ECM and Suppression works and nothing like Armor plates / counter to demob or reactor sealing counter to neutralization. ECCM is a joke and doesnt do enough to even start to counter ECM .. sensor amps would need a tuner to come close to being a counter to suppression.
for balance their needs counters to everything ... if there is no viable (effective) counter then the balance is gone .. simple as that.
Tux, Real battles are fought between at 750. Lock range on self amped ewar is 750. RSAs make it 1100. Like Bandwagon said, just back up...
I'm not trying to Troll you, but you personally haven't seen 20 on 20 battle in over a year. Your trying to balance a vagabond against assaults
Tux
Not my fault you all trained mesmers
Go away
I'm not trying to Troll you, but you personally haven't seen 20 on 20 battle in over a year. Your trying to balance a vagabond against assaults
How much has changed exactly in the year that makes his opinion invalid?
It's about ECM Tunings.
It's not only about ECM tunings.
and i thought it was about ballz of steel.
any update on this on PTS? last time i logged onto it, the entropy / resist thingy was not up for testing.
It's only about ECM Tunings.
Would just like to put this up here, A maxed skill (by his own admission) Cameleon Mk2 pilot getting 8/15 Jams on a Yagel.
http://www.perp-kill.net/kill/258870
How in the world can you say that it is overpowered.
Because logic was long lost on this thread and the only problem with EWARs:
It's only about ECM Tunings.
is not being looked at and people do theorycrafting about 1vs1 encounters. Or don't play the game.
http://www.perp-kill.net/kill/258871
11/13 Maxed ewar pilot.
There is another approach. Increase the base locking speed and range of all bots. People have been complaining that sensor amps are a compulsory module for years.
As for an a buff being applied to bots for a few seconds after they are jammed, why not just make the jamming effect in itself a non-stacking debuff, seems like a simpler option.
There is another approach. Increase the base locking speed and range of all bots. People have been complaining that sensor amps are a compulsory module for years.
As for an a buff being applied to bots for a few seconds after they are jammed, why not just make the jamming effect in itself a non-stacking debuff, seems like a simpler option.
Sensor Amps aren't required; Ive never run one on my most common bots and Ive been wildly successful. Let's stay on topic and talk about how the only fix needed is to ECM tunings.
Dev Alf,
The ECCM skill applying to the ECCM module is fine. The ECCM skill also apply to the bot and the eccm together is WAY too tipped in the unjammable direction.
Other very powerful things in the game are balanced with ECM, if ECM is much less effective, other very nasty things will become the new ECM
Remove ECCM and ECM Tunings and all will be well in the world
Kaldenines wrote:There is another approach. Increase the base locking speed and range of all bots. People have been complaining that sensor amps are a compulsory module for years.
As for an a buff being applied to bots for a few seconds after they are jammed, why not just make the jamming effect in itself a non-stacking debuff, seems like a simpler option.
Sensor Amps aren't required; Ive never run one on my most common bots and Ive been wildly successful. Let's stay on topic and talk about how the only fix needed is to ECM tunings.
Got RSA much? Lol. Sensor amps aren't mandatory but having another account with RSAs is, amirite?
Tux
Not my fault you all trained mesmers
Go away
Gunner, we've been running ewars and not Mesmers for over a year.
Go away.
Or at least try making a point in less than 10 posts.
Try playing.
anyways, for those of us who havent given up
ECM nerf isnt too too bad
push it through 
false sense of security that also costs you EP
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