Jita wrote:

Your maths don't make sense. With four head slots I can shoot 50% of the time vs four head slots of ewar that can't shoot at all. Even under four ECM and four supressors I can shoot 25% of the time and your using two ewar mechs that can't shoot back.

if you are getting ECMed but 4 ecm's and suppressed by 4 suppressors that are equal to or more than your bots sensor strength you will never shoot ... get out and test it.

Tux wrote:

Yes when taking into consideration "FLEET" composition you can compensate for this with more EW vs EW. Balance is not bringing more ECM's to ECM the ECMers. Balance is employing a viable counter (Electronic counter counter measure) that is as effective as its pair.

Syndic, Lobo and others: there are viable counters when taking into account fleets this is already understood by many. This is not a nerf Ewar thread as i have already stated ... it about bringing more balance and options to players that choose not to put a suppressor and ECM on every bot they want to roam around with.

Their is more than one type of game play that does not revolve around group pvp. the current state or ECM and Suppression just needs to be looked at and balanced through other modules.

Syndic wrote:

EW Tunings have an obvious and very serious drawback.

yes thers a problem ... solution ??????

try being constructive for a change . ...

where was the counters for ECM tuner and suppressor tuner?

we got a counter for the ENwar tuner with the reactor sealing.

weapon stabs / evasive mods
damage tunings / resistance plates / HP plates

read and think about the future of the game and stop knee jerking your responses

Flawed Logic and tailored match ups are why we got the tunings we currently have in game.

If you think its as simple as  Mesmer rep vs dps build I am thankful you are NOT advising the DEVS on anything.

Its not simple tick for tack ... Im  not going to go over what others have already explained in great detail in many other threads. If Ewar was balanced you would not see players  for all different corps calling for something to be done about it.

Syndic wrote:

Why aren't - by your logic again - the overpowered ewars winning the fights for you?

http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill-rela … l_id=43287

You can keep saying "nothings wrong with ECM/Supperssion" "Nothing to see here" but the fact is that its not balanced.. I needs to be fixed. but by all means keep posting about how well you abuse it.

http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill-rela … l_id=43292

Seems pretty balanced, or was overpowered ECM/supression suddenly not overpowered enough?

How about in this instance http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill-rela … l_id=43070

Can we identify which cameleon mk2s had the faulty ECM Tuning installed?

Syndic wrote:

http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill-rela … l_id=43292

Seems pretty balanced, or was overpowered ECM/supression suddenly not overpowered enough?

How about in this instance http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill-rela … l_id=43070

Can we identify which cameleon mk2s had the faulty ECM Tuning installed?

You have just proven my point you brought more EW and won by being able to  lock down the opposing fleet. Look at the kills and look how much ECM is on the field.

#2 You have 8 Light EW robots on the field to our 6 ... but even though we were out numbered we still engaged and got kills before all of your EW bots were able to engage. This is no shocker to anyone who pvp's

@ Ville should I post statements to support your point of view or mine?

I use Ewar knowing its overpowered and something needs to be done about it. Other use ewar blindly and think its perfectly balanced that's the difference. In the case i posted we were able to put more EW on the field at the time of the engagement so we got kills ... later we were able to kill 2 mechs 1 with a pretty good rep build(Jones) because we had enough jams to not allow him a kill http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill&kill_id=43289 .

If you guys were not so dependent on EW we might be able to have a constructive conversation on how it should be balanced... But obviously this is a waste of time.

Syndic wrote:

Why aren't - by your logic again - the overpowered ewars winning the fights for you?

http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill-rela … l_id=43287

You can keep saying "nothings wrong with ECM/Supperssion" "Nothing to see here" but the fact is that its not balanced.. I needs to be fixed. but by all means keep posting about how well you abuse it.

You have just proven my point you brought more EW and won by being able to  lock down the opposing fleet. Look at the kills and look how much ECM is on the field.

#2 You have 8 Light EW robots on the field to our 6 ... but even though we were out numbered we still engaged and got kills before all of your EW bots were able to engage. This is no shocker to anyone who pvp's

@ Ville should I post statements to support your point of view or mine?

I use Ewar knowing its overpowered and something needs to be done about it. Other use ewar blindly and think its perfectly balanced that's the difference. In the case i posted we were able to put more EW on the field at the time of the engagement so we got kills ... later we were able to kill 2 mechs 1 with a pretty good rep build(Jones) because we had enough jams to not allow him a kill http://killboard.sequer.nl/?a=kill&kill_id=43289 .

If you guys were not so dependent on EW we might be able to have a constructive conversation on how it should be balanced... But obviously this is a waste of time.