Try telling that to the Devs and you may as well be talking Nigerian.

Im sure there will be population spikes when the game drops EA on steam, as well as sales...

80% turnover on a game like this is fine, its expected, but its that constant trickle that keeps the game ticking.

You have to figure at least 10% of these numbers will be long term players, and that's what the game needs.  The game has grown in terms of long term players but the numbers go down due to the steam kids that wanted mech warrior online in an open world. 

Also, anyone can come back at any time, and its time based progression.  Pop a booster go play other games for a month then come back.

The key will be to have new stuff every time they come back and get them to buy another booster or whatever and stick around a bit when they do log on after that break.

It consistently happens because every newbie CEO comes in, and despite ample advice and warnings,  thinks he's smarter then everyone else and aligns his newbie corp with a vet alliance too soon. A vet alliance is usually involved in a campaign against another vet alliance, and the newbies simply can't survive in that enviroment. No EP, no stockpile, no experience. Dead meat.

+ Lack of content was also a big factor in the early days.

+1, emphasis added.  This has been true of the majority of EVEfugees.  They see some similarities and think they know it all day 1.

Absolutely.  Take some responsibility.

+1, this has been the nature of every tide that's come in.  Some stay, some don't, and Steam gamers are among the most fickle of all groups.

These are the 3 wisest posts in the whole thread.

Limit 1 jump per mobile teleport
Remove flag restriction if and only if you DELETE ARMOR TP from game

plus, see my signature

That would be an improvement.

I`m sorry but SpT AND MOBILE TELEPORTs is making this world very very tiny like we said before its broken to hell

It makes living owning and roaming beta islands very very hard for all other but the strongest
Some may disagree whit me on mobile teleports but after seeing how ppl zerg from any were on the map to easy to pick locations ( Exsternal telepors and especaly Internals )   

All in all game was much morre funn roaming and sutch when the game dint have SpT and Mobile teleports

I may be dragged out back and shot for this suggestion, but how about

Limit 1 jump per mobile teleport
Remove flag restriction if and only if you DELETE ARMOR TP from game

plus, see my signature

Rage Blackout wrote:

Small things?  Dev Zoom, the stuff we talk about are BIG things like:

Gamma    <-- pretty big
Ewar bots and its whole profession   <--- Huge

Being worked on as you know.

Instant travel   <--     monster big

Sorry but we refuse to see spark teleport as an issue. Or if it is, it's at least equally helping the game.

Massively abused missions and beacons   <----  10000x big

I might have missed this, what is this about exactly? Is this something new or are we regurgitating past issues for no reason?

Knee jurk changes in mechanics that people have 1000's of hours and money invested in   <--- small?

Same question.

I`m sorry but SpT AND MOBILE TELEPORTs is making this world very very tiny like we said before its broken to hell

It makes living owning and roaming beta islands very very hard for all other but the strongest
Some may disagree whit me on mobile teleports but after seeing how ppl zerg from any were on the map to easy to pick locations ( Exsternal telepors and especaly Internals )   

All in all game was much morre funn roaming and sutch when the game dint have SpT and Mobile teleports

Ville wrote:

Dazz why don't Rad do pvp training?  Why don't you standardize your fits so your fleets aren't Hodge Podge?  Instead of all these people pointing a finger, why not do more?  You have some great resources in Rad.  I.E. Mark Zima.  Watch pvp videos posted.  Learn from them.  Like well rounded fleet comps, primary target priority, terrain usage, how to kite, fittings and teach your ewar pilots how to us ecms properly.

Why anyone else doesn't do it idk, for me, its because I've done it before in Squid and Hokk and it was a lot of work, I'm not gonna dedicate that sort of time to the game how it is, although tbh most of the standardised fits we did 3 yrs ago are still fine due to lack of any changes. If anything roaming and territory warfare are even more time consuming than they were, so no thanks. Mark and other vets in corp are also around far less, so draw your own conclusions about their views, but I'm sure everything is great and we're all just lazy...

No.  I'm not drawing any conclusions about laziness.  Its up to the CEO of corporations to generate content for their members.  Its up to the alliance leaders to hash out a goal for all the corporates in the alliance. I know from personal experience that Syndic works his *** off to generate content for his members.  He also strides to provide the best to his members.  So his members are greatful and loyal.  I for one am glad I was able to join the ranks of CIR. 

The CEO needs to inspire people.  Players love goals and to feel appreciated.  And sometimes the CEO can't handle doing everything and that's when people need to step it and bring moral up.  Its hard work, your right Daz.  But if you rely on others to get the job done maybe you'll get let down.  Maybe you'll be motivated yourself.  But one things for certain.  Never lose sight of that goal!

Dazz why don't Rad do pvp training?  Why don't you standardize your fits so your fleets aren't Hodge Podge?  Instead of all these people pointing a finger, why not do more?  You have some great resources in Rad.  I.E. Mark Zima.  Watch pvp videos posted.  Learn from them.  Like well rounded fleet comps, primary target priority, terrain usage, how to kite, fittings and teach your ewar pilots how to us ecms properly.

Why anyone else doesn't do it idk, for me, its because I've done it before in Squid and Hokk and it was a lot of work, I'm not gonna dedicate that sort of time to the game how it is, although tbh most of the standardised fits we did 3 yrs ago are still fine due to lack of any changes. If anything roaming and territory warfare are even more time consuming than they were, so no thanks. Mark and other vets in corp are also around far less, so draw your own conclusions about their views, but I'm sure everything is great and we're all just lazy...

I'd be interested in any Vets view regards how they would go about it if they were starting out now, let's say they know what they know and who they know combined with what they expect to happen with this game in the future.

If your corps not doing what I listed above you should not be complaining about not holding territory, because your not trying.

-There are ways to hold territory through peaceful means.  It's called Diplomacy.  If you think your too good to engage in diplomacy, and then cry on the forums after an incident your going to get trolled.  Hard.

I'd be interested in any Vets view regards how they would go about it if they were starting out now, let's say they know what they know and who they know combined with what they expect to happen with this game in the future.

Syndic wrote:

Dazamin wrote:

You can do some variation of the everything is fine post as much as you like, meanwhile as it has been for the past three years or w/e, any influx of players has been followed by a mass exodus, numbers from steam launch have already dropped off a cliff. So, if there are no broken mechanics, theres no problem with power projection, etc, etc. Why does this consistently happen?

It consistently happens because every newbie CEO comes in, and despite ample advice and warnings,  thinks he's smarter then everyone else and aligns his newbie corp with a vet alliance too soon. A vet alliance is usually involved in a campaign against another vet alliance, and the newbies simply can't survive in that enviroment. No EP, no stockpile, no experience. Dead meat.

+ Lack of content was also a big factor in the early days.

So once player 2.0 is developed that plays the game properly it'll be fine

It'll be fine when people start playing intelligently and stop using tickets and Devs as a crutch to make up for their own lazy stupidity.

Some classics for example:
- "HERP DERP IMMA WALK IN UR NURALGIS N BLOW IT UP FOR LULZ HUEHUE U NO TOUCH ME IM NEWB"
- "RESTARTING CLIENTS BE4 BIG FIGHT IS FOR GIRLS"
- "WE PLAY EVE LOWSEC WE STRONK N SMART SO GUD"
- "SLURP SLURP RESET BE UR WORST MISTEAK HIHIHI"